[Redys]

@ the ugly truth blog:

MUST READ–People of the Book Why do Mormons Love Israel?



BY OREN KESSLER foreignpolicy.com

Mitt Romney dropped by the Western Wall on Sunday, July 29, but one nearby landmark was conspicuously left off his Israel itinerary: the Jerusalem Center of Brigham Young University (BYU) — or as locals call it with typical directness, “Mormon University.” The presumptive U.S. Republican presidential nominee, in his campaign and throughout his political career, has sought to downplay the significance of his Mormon faith. But though his religion could be a liability for many U.S. evangelicals and other devout Christians (just half of Americans believe Mormons are Christian), it may yet prove a blessing in winning over another high-value constituency: Among all American faith groups, Mormons receive the highest favorability rating from Jews.

read the rest @ TUT blog, paste job loses paragraph breaks here:
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/must-read-people-of-the-book-why-do-mormons-love-israel

[ENCOSEARRALIA]

What a fag.
(no offense to any other homos)

[FelixQY]

Morons

[mloversia]

They do feel a kinship with jews. First, remember that J. Smith and B. Young became masons (but were kicked out I think). They also saw themselves as a diaspora as they innocently[/s] travelled through the US were "attacked" by everyone else. They also saw the American indigenous as possibly one of the lost tribes.

[zzarratusstra]

These asshats all need to get a few doses of what they are giving to the so called Batman Killer and appear on camera.

Justice will be served.

Paybacks a bitch.

[acissombiapse]

I'd have to find the source- may have been here @ GSUS? But word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what, prolly not as wouldn't be politically acceptable, so they prolly just shun any blacks who profess mormonism. Seems it stemmed from the biblical tale of one of Abraham's sons ('Shem' rings a bell?) finding Abe passed out drunk, naked, in his tent or whatever, and the son laughed, and was eternally condemned for this... and this 'condemnation' extended to all black races since? I'm obviously vague on the details here, someone could clarify. Come to think of it, I may have heard it discussed on one the the Ugly Truth podcasts.

Other thing I definitely heard about mormons was that they're over-represented in the US alphabet spook agencies. Had to do with their being considered hard-working and extra loyal to Izzy... though I thought I recall some mention of their 2-year missionary assignments as being a plus on their resumes as far as the alphabet agencies were concerned.

Whatever the case re ^, most of us know mormons are obliged to be preppers, with 1 year rations stored, and they even have mormon-administered food banks, which sell to anyone, and this is considered a reasonable place for preppers to buy bulk dry food. I believe it's part of their dogma that there WILL be a great future world crisis of some sort, and thus they are obliged to have these preps so that the congregation mostly survives. The LDS church also practices "tithing", IE members are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church... make of that what you will!

[daasayse]

Seems right that a bunch of fakers would support another bunch of phonies.

[Andrius]

I'd have to find the source- may have been here @ GSUS? But word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what, prolly not as wouldn't be politically acceptable, so they prolly just shun any blacks who profess mormonism. Seems it stemmed from the biblical tale of one of Abraham's sons ('Shem' rings a bell?) finding Abe passed out drunk, naked, in his tent or whatever, and the son laughed, and was eternally condemned for this... and this 'condemnation' extended to all black races since? I'm obviously vague on the details here, someone could clarify. Come to think of it, I may have heard it discussed on one the the Ugly Truth podcasts.

Other thing I definitely heard about mormons was that they're over-represented in the US alphabet spook agencies. Had to do with their being considered hard-working and extra loyal to Izzy... though I thought I recall some mention of their 2-year missionary assignments as being a plus on their resumes as far as the alphabet agencies were concerned.

Whatever the case re ^, most of us know mormons are obliged to be preppers, with 1 year rations stored, and they even have mormon-administered food banks, which sell to anyone, and this is considered a reasonable place for preppers to buy bulk dry food. I believe it's part of their dogma that there WILL be a great future world crisis of some sort, and thus they are obliged to have these preps so that the congregation mostly survives. The LDS church also practices "tithing", IE members are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church... make of that what you will!

Blacks could go to heaven under mormon thought, but couldn't have their own star/planet/whatever until around 1972 when the grand poohbah of modern mormonism had a "revelation" and then all the sudden blacks were acceptable.

[CHyLmxDr]

^ maybe the high-earner blacks who're compliant with the 10% tithing? lol

[Faungarne]

Is everyone required to purchase a beanie before they're allowed in to worship that idiotic wall?

[pissmanvd]

Strange connection here....while multiple religious groups pressed,paid, even sued to build a church or headquarters in jerusalem (after the jews placed a moratorium on all such -except synagogues) only the mormons got permission to build a temple there....hmmm

[cigattIcTot]

Oh, and why is there always at least one of those black hat bastards standing behind the politician suck ups? Every time....

[Angelinaaiiiiiiiii]

I did some looking into Joseph Smiths connection with the Jews and Kabbalah. Below is a quote from an article and some reseach looking into the connection between Kabbalah and Mormanism. There is a lot more at this link.

http://www.gnosis.org/jskabb1.htm
What is clear is that Smith and his apostles restated what Moshe Idel, our great living scholar of Kabbalah, persuades me was the archaic or original Jewish religion. . . . My observation certainly does find enormous validity in Smith's imaginative recapture of crucial elements, elements evaded by normative Judaism and by the Church after it. The God of Joseph Smith is a daring revival of the God of some of the Kabbalists and Gnostics, prophetic sages who, like Smith himself, asserted that they had returned to the true religion. . . . Either there was a more direct Kabbalistic influence upon Smith than we know, or, far more likely, his genius reinvented Kabbalah in the effort necessary to restore archaic Judaism.2

While I would not diminish the inventive genius of Joseph Smith, careful reevaluation of historical data suggests there is both a poetic and an unsuspected factual substance to Bloom's thesis. Though yet little understood, from Joseph's adolescent years forward he had repeated, sometime intimate and arguably influential associations with distant legacies of Gnosticism conveyed by Kabbalah and Hermeticism--traditions intertwined in the Renaissance and nurtured through the reformative religious aspirations of three subsequent centuries. Though any sympathy Joseph held for old heresy was perhaps intrinsic to his nature rather than bred by association, the associations didexist. And they hold a rich context of meanings. Of course, the relative import of these interactions in Joseph Smith's history will remain problematic for historians; efforts to revision the Prophet in their light--or to reevaluate our methodology of understanding his history--may evoke a violently response from traditionalists. Nonetheless, these is substantial documentary evidence, material unexplored by Bloom or Mormon historians generally, supporting a much more direct Kabbalistic and Hermetic influences upon Smith and his doctrine of God than has previously been considered possible.


Through his associations with ceremonial magic as a young treasure seer, Smith contacted symbols and lore taken directly from Kabbalah. In his prophetic translation of sacred writ, his hermeneutic method was in nature Kabbalistic. With his initiation into Masonry, he entered a tradition born of the Hermetic-Kabbalistic tradition. These associations culminated in Nauvoo, the period of his most important doctrinal and ritual innovations. During these last years, he enjoyed friendship with a European Jew well-versed in the standard Kabbalistic works and possibly possessing in Nauvoo an extraordinary collection of Kabbalistic books and manuscripts. By 1844 Smith not only was cognizant of Kabbalah, but enlisted theosophic concepts taken directly from its principal text in his most important doctrinal sermon, the "King Follett Discourse."


Smith's concepts of God's plurality, his vision of God as anthropos, and his possession by the issue of sacred marriage, all might have been cross-fertilized by this intercourse with Kabbalistic theosophy--an occult relationship climaxing in Nauvoo. This is a complex thesis; its understanding requires exploration of an occult religious tradition spanning more that a millennium of Western history, an investigation that begins naturally with Kabbalah.

[fujitsusi]

"This is a complex thesis; its understanding requires exploration of an occult religious tradition spanning more that a millennium of Western history, an investigation that begins naturally with Kabbalah."

Bottom line... he didn't get it from being directed by an angel named Moroni to some buried book of gold plates written in an ancient language, but was simply plagarizing everything and everybody that came along, especially the occasional rabbi and wild west paperback writer. Smorgasbord religion run amuck. The sad thing is most mainlaine religions are no better. All have forsaken the "old landmarks" and deserve to be rebuked.

[FourEsters]

theres so much wrong here and we keep sticking ours noses over there this make me so sick in so many ways . for once lets worry about the usa and not others this may happen in my life time ... one can only hope ............... back up thanks pat

[ugosanchezo]

Blacks could go to heaven under mormon thought, but couldn't have their own star/planet/whatever until around 1972 when the grand poohbah of modern mormonism had a "revelation" and then all the sudden blacks were acceptable.

Same thing when the federal government was withholding statehood to the early Utah territories because of the prevalence of polygamy. All of a sudden, blamo!, a revelation was received forbidding polygamy and viola, statehood was granted!

[neirty]

peep-stones;
http://mormonstories.org/top10toughissues/peepstones.html

[mazabotman]

Mormons are good people.

The Mormon leadership, Church, have always been allied with people associated with
Masonry/Jews/Zionists, etc.

Agents at the top built this " church " .

Imagine if these communities were just old school Christians, a lot has been done to divide the
Christians in the USA going back. There is no question this was by design here, IMO , there is
a lot out there on this, Masonry connections especially.

BY OREN KESSLER foreignpolicy.com

Mitt Romney dropped by the Western Wall on Sunday, July 29, but one nearby landmark was conspicuously left off his Israel itinerary: the Jerusalem Center of Brigham Young University (BYU) — or as locals call it with typical directness, “Mormon University.”

ROMNEY'S INTELLIGENCE CHIEF AND CAMPAIGN ADVISER
Mitt Romney named Michael Chertoff, the Israeli agent who supervised the destruction of the crucial evidence of 9/11, co-chair of his counterterrorism and intelligence advisory committee in October 2011. The 9/11 cover-up continues.



ROMNEY'S ISRAELI HANDLER
Orit Gadiesh (age 60) is a high-level Israeli military intelligence agent at Bain & Co. who has worked closely with Mitt Romney for decades.
Orit Gadiesh, former "War Room" assistant to Ezer Weizman and Moshe Dayan, is the daughter of Israeli Brigadier General Falk Gadiesh (born Falk Gruenfeld, Berlin, 1921) and his Ukrainian-born wife. Gadiesh is chairman of the management consulting firm Bain & Company, the parent company of Bain Capital, and was the company's managing director under CEO Mitt Romney in 1992. "She's like a Jewish mother figure to many of the people at Bain," ex-Bainie Dan Quinn told Fortune magazine in 1996.

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Update

from Mitt Romney's official website.
http://www.mittromney.com/news/press...-were-partners

Mitt Romney: “I've also known Bibi Netanyahu for a long time;
we worked together at Boston Consulting Group."

[Caursedus]

I'd have to find the source- may have been here @ GSUS? But word was mormons exclude blacks- don't know if it's official or what, prolly not as wouldn't be politically acceptable, so they prolly just shun any blacks who profess mormonism. Seems it stemmed from the biblical tale of one of Abraham's sons ('Shem' rings a bell?) finding Abe passed out drunk, naked, in his tent or whatever, and the son laughed, and was eternally condemned for this... and this 'condemnation' extended to all black races since? I'm obviously vague on the details here, someone could clarify. Come to think of it, I may have heard it discussed on one the the Ugly Truth podcasts.

Other thing I definitely heard about mormons was that they're over-represented in the US alphabet spook agencies. Had to do with their being considered hard-working and extra loyal to Izzy... though I thought I recall some mention of their 2-year missionary assignments as being a plus on their resumes as far as the alphabet agencies were concerned.

Whatever the case re ^, most of us know mormons are obliged to be preppers, with 1 year rations stored, and they even have mormon-administered food banks, which sell to anyone, and this is considered a reasonable place for preppers to buy bulk dry food. I believe it's part of their dogma that there WILL be a great future world crisis of some sort, and thus they are obliged to have these preps so that the congregation mostly survives. The LDS church also practices "tithing", IE members are expected to give 10% of their earnings to the church... make of that what you will!

I've lived near Mormons for almost my entire life, and I can tell you that several points in your post, while not entirely false, are a bit "off" from the truth.

1) As others have correctly pointed out, blacks were suddenly "in" in 1972 after a "revelation". At this point, they actively recruit members from black nations and areas, particularly Polynesian and African.

2) Mormons are, indeed, over-represented in the alphabet soup agencies, PARTICULARLY the FBI, which has the highest Mormon population of any federal agency. However, the reason for this is not loyalty to Israel (although that might be part of it) but rather the nature of Mormon culture. They're taught early in their lives to respect and obey authority without question, and their tight-knit family/community structure makes background checks easy and trouble-free to pass. They are considered "model agents" due to their clean-shaven, non-drinking, non-smoking, non-gambling "family man" values. Also, their requirement to go on a church "mission" requires most of them to learn at least one additional language, which fed agencies find to be a valuable bonus.

3) The Mormon church has downplayed the importance of food storage and self-sufficiency BIG TIME in the last few decades... It used to be a 2-year supply, then 1-year, then 6-months, then hardly mentioned. In fact, I've heard it "through the grapevine" in the last few years that heavy prepping is being investigated by the bishops (local church leaders) and that Mormons who continue such endeavors are actually being reprimanded and told to ease up so as not to cause "problems" in their local communities. Don't know the truth of the matter, I'm NOT Mormon, but this is what I've heard from some who are.

4) You're correct about the 10% tithing bit... it is VERY important to them, and I've heard a great many stories about how the bishops reprimand followers who don't "cough up the dough". They also often ask (can't legally require, though...) for the member's tax returns, so they can verify no "cheating" is occurring.

I'm pretty sure there are 1 or 2 Mormon members at GS-US, I welcome any corrections or additions to the above from them.

[Seeseeskeva]

I just thought of a wonderful target for public urination.