[bomondus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I said educated people. We have two educated Indias who post here regularly, why dont we ask them? Ah, because they are not a worthwhile representative set of general opinion or knowledge in India? That seems simple enough to see.


Some Russian POWs WERE gassed, and indeed some of the gassing techniques were tried out on them first.

The numbers gassed were insignificant to the numbers who died. Gas chambers are simply not a significant cause for Soviet POW deaths.

Im not real familiar with the details of deniers claims, but it would seem very difficult to deny what happened to the Jews without at the same time denying or distorting much of the truth about what happened to the Russians.

Why exactly? In the Holocaust you had an active campaign to isolate a particular population, transport them halfway accross Europe many times, an expensive system of building new railways, camps, and the machinery of death. The HOlocaust is an active campaign of extermination. Soviet prisoners were the byproducts of military victory, and their deaths were almost primarily the cause of a campaign of neglect, of simply not providing the basic needs of human beings. I fail to see why denying active homicide would entail also denying passive homicide.

I cant believe that wouldnt anger Russians. While there is antisemitism in Russian society, I dont think its nearly as important a force as Russias sense of victimization by the Nazis. There is even, I think, some pride at Russias role as liberator of the death camps.

First, I have seen no announcements in the Western Press of any significant statements of condemnation for the conference by the Russian Government or media. Second, given that you don;t know what the position of a Holocaust denier would be vis a vi the deaths of Soviet POWs, what is the point of speculating? As for the Russians feeling pride in liebrating the death camps, certainly there is such, but then there is also the pride of winning the war and blasting Berlin to heck. Its not like forgetting the HOlocaust would make the Russians celebrate their victory over Germany any less.

The question I rise is not how uniquely the Russians should view anything in particular, but how they should feel about a denial of historical fact, that (I think) inevitably calls into question other historical facts of great importance to them. By your logic, EVERYONE should be outraged by the denial of any historical fact since then all historical facts are at issue. But then, of course, that assumed everyone agrees with Historical facts. I think most Russians would state that the Great Patriotic War was a rigging success. Many people west of Russia would not. I think what happened with the celebrations of the end of the second world war last year more than show that there is hardly agreement over historical fact. I think your average Russian cares more about the people of the Baltic states bemoning Soviet victory in WW2 more than they care about Holocaust deniers, as one actively undermines their national sense of pride while the latter merely serves to lessen the extensive evil of their foe.

[Pdarasenko]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by GePap

" what is the point of speculating?"


Actually it was YOU who started the speculation, with no particular evidence.

"I doubt China, India, and Russia give a damn."


wiki:

"Russian prisoners of war were used for experiments, such as being immersed in ice water or being put into pressure chambers in which air was evacuated to see how long they would survive as a means to better protect German airmen."

[Waymninelia]

Originally posted by GePap


Actually, those people are lucky not to have been arrested long ago, after all, the story stated that they are apostates, one of the worst sins against Islam. evidently the Mullahs regime is more concerned about suppressing dissent than about infractions of Islamic law.