[LfYaRf1S]

We seem to be pretty close to the same page.


Which is a worse evil: one man mistreating/raping his kid, or a government systems that essentially rapes everyone?

Agree 100%.

And just to be clear here: I would rather live by the absolute laws of the jungle, if my other choice is to be ruled by the State.

[CowextetleSix]

I am not a dogfighter, but I am a supporter of liberty and of property rights.

If I own a dog and choose to enter it into a fight against a dog with another consenting owner, that is our business, however distasteful.

I may not approve of what you do ........but I will defend to the death your right to do it.


Voltaire

[tuszit]

I may not approve of what you do ........but I will defend to the death your right to do it.


Voltaire

I don't think that's the Voltaire quote..

It's--I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it..

[CedssypeEdids]

I don't think that's the Voltaire quote..

It's--I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it..

There is a big difference there.

[tuszit]

There is a big difference there.

Huge difference and the correct quote is say not do..

And further to the point it was said in reference to freedom of speech.

[Sheelldaw]

Huge difference and the correct quote is say not do..

And further to the point it was said in reference to freedom of speech.

Here's a bit more on the Voltaire attribution from http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/331.html:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.Voltaire, (Attributed); originated in "The Friends of Voltaire", 1906, by S. G. Tallentyre (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778)

• Voltaire probably never said these exact words. They were written in 1906 by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (pseud. S. G. Tallentyre) in the biography "The Friends of Voltaire". The author did not attribute the words to Voltaire, but used them to sum up Voltaire's attitude:
  
  " 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,' was his attitude now. "
  
  - Here is the correct quote from S. G. Tallentyre.
  
  Two actual quotations from Voltaire that embody the same attitude:
  - Think for yourselves...
  - I detest what you write...
  [note by Michael Moncur, January 12, 2005]

Here is an actual Voltaire quote:

« Monsieur l'abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire. »

It is actually "écrire"... which is to say that the quote concerns the written word.

So it isn't "to do" or "to say" but "to write".

[AlexBrith]

most that are cruel to Animal are cruel to people ........... just saying . look around

[LfYaRf1S]

most that are cruel to Animal are cruel to people ........... just saying . look around

Probably because they believe they came from an animal.