[Herimoisige]

I lied. I actually didn't do any of that to my house. :P

I was just about to ask if the whole setup smells minty fresh too!

[ketNavatutt]

Who would gain from this event and what?

The bankers. All of a sudden, all those records from the trillions they had stolen are now gone. Time to reset. Banks own everything.

[exchpaypalgold]

Oh stop your making me laugh. Without electricity nuke plants go BOOM. Goodbye.

[GotActichwicy]

Exactly. If there was an EMP all human life could die off from all the nuclear power plants going poof.

[esconsise]

So then a massive earth directed CME that fries the grid is an ELE?

Say it isn't so.

[Caunnysup]

Whats the best oil lamps and oil out there?

Is there a windup deal or solar deal with outlets to plug stuff into?

I have a generator but gas will go quick and I aint running one of them things when the zombies are out.

[vqIo7X2U]

So tell me how does a EMP happen, electric waves flow though the air and short stuff out? and if you have your electric stuff in a metal building that is grounded they are ok? I think my house might be a faraday cage? metal roof, metal studs, red iron and wrapped in astro foil. So maybe I could park a truck or 2 in the Metal shop, metal panels ( but there is a open place No metal on one end) ??

[vqIo7X2U]

I went searching and found some info.

I find it quite interesting that the best defense we have against EMP is still the Faraday box/cage, a technology developed by Michael Faraday in 1836. The original prototypes made by Michael Faraday used aluminum foil lining the walls of the room. Because of the nature of the dissipation across the surface, it was also found that leaving the windows unsheilded didn't affect the performance of the cage by all that much.

Some common building materials can also act as Faraday cages. Materials such as plaster mesh, woven rebar in concrete and even some of the metallic coated varieties of insulation can provide effective protection against EMP blasts.

Here's a few links with more information regarding Faraday cages and their effectiveness against EMP:

webphysics.davidson.edu... This is a Java applet that demonstrates the effect of a Faraday cage on EM fields.

en.wikipedia.org... Wikipedia's entry on the Faraday cage, also contains a link to Wikipedia's entry on Michael Faraday as well.

www.physlink.com... This is a relatively detailed explanation of how a Faraday Cage works.

[vqIo7X2U]

Here is another, I kinda understand how it works now.

The concept of a Faraday cage is logically attributed to Michael Faraday, an 19th Century pioneer in the field of electromagnetic energy. Faraday studied the work of earlier scientists such as Benjamin Franklin and theorized that electromagnetic waves naturally flowed around the surface of conductive materials, not through them. For example, if a metal box containing a mouse were placed directly in the path of an electrical current, the electricity would flow over the box but not into the compartment with the mouse. The mouse would not be electrocuted. Such a box would be considered a Faraday cage.

The important concept to remember is that a Faraday cage acts as a shield against the effects of electromagnetic energy. When a car is struck by lightning, the metal frame becomes a Faraday cage and draws the electricity away from the passengers inside. A microwave oven’s door has a screen which prevents electromagnetic energy from escaping into the room. Electronic parts which generate radio frequencies are often protected by Faraday cages called RF shields. Even a concrete building reinforced with lead or rebar can be considered a Faraday cage.

[avarberickibe]

Namely, how could someone protect their vehicle from the effects, to ensure that if this sort of thing happened, they could still fire up their auto and get home to their preps?

three words

Mechanically injected Diesel

much easier to make fuel for as well

[NudiJuicervich]

My take on this is very basic. You have preps, and your preps should include temporary shelter (Tarps/string, etc), tools to make it (Compact saws/hatchets, etc) and a means to stay warm, get food and purify water. WTSHTF I do not expect to be living in the lap of luxury, piddling away on a laptop or I-pad or cel phone. I expect hard work, gathering food, firewood, living off the land, hiding from NWO pigs in search-party formation, and fending off ill-prepared blue pillers.

So my focus for prepping on my vehicle, which I have not made EMP proof. I like the mechanically inject deisel suggestion. Thanks for that. WTSHTF I will need to be able to get to my family and preps, load up, and get outta dodge. I think that post-NWO-implimentation life is going to be a lot more difficult than what it seems most of you people are expecting. I could be wrong, and hopefully I am.

One thing to bear in mind is that if the elite unleash a legitimate FF EMP, they are going to be the planners of the catastophe, and of course they are going to be prepped and their assets will be protected. They are not going to fry their own control grid. They likely already have the means installed to isolate their web for just such an event. So when things go *ZZzzzzzt!* and we are all trying to run generators to try to connect to GSus, they will flick a switch, have their grid up (Closed Circuit control grid, I'm assuming, such as the DOD and NSA networks, etc) and dispatch the troops to "protect us".

At that point, I would go under the assumption that your cel phone is nothing more than a GPS tracking device for the elite cabal and I would ditch that POS right away. Lead and gunpowder don't need electricity, neither do snares and deadfall traps, or fishing rods or candles. I might be off, but I am getting prepped for a "lifelong camping trip without food" in all environments.
(I do have food and water stocks, but you can't carry everything)

Is this a war between the establishment and the elite? my thinking would be to put all bets on the elite. They probably have control of the establishment with out most in it even knowing...or is there actually NO differance between the two? Who would gain from this event and what?

Have no doubt that the establishment is in firm control of the elite. The establishment is the bureaucratic workhorse of the elite control grid. The establishment is subordinate to the eite cabal, and they are not at odds. There may be the odd rogue individual in a powerful position (ie: an Admiral in the MIC or something), who may seek to go in his own direction wtshtf because he may not be privy to the entire plan when the elite are carrying out their endgame, and in the pandemonium he might have visions of grandeur, but it won't last long.
The establishment will be in it's place, carrying out it's duties as designated through the ususal compartmentalization.



Finally, the last thing I would like to mention, TA probably remembers from GIM:

Years ago we found a post by a shortwave ham operator from somewhere on the internet. He was a techie-nerd type, and supposedly figured out a way to use nothing more than a laptop, a car battery and a shortwave transciever to access teh internet for free, from a mountaintop.
He had a program on his laptop that would convert the recieved SW waves into some kind of useable computer language, so he could send and recieve internet info just like we are now, without using an internet service provider, without being traced, without being dependant on electricity or a modem, etc.
The SW transciever would transmit and recieve the internet waves in the air, and his laptop would take that feed and translate it, and presto: Unlimited access to the web, dependant on no outside influences.

So if ANYONE can find more information on that, please please PLEASE post it here, because I have been trying to find out how to do what he was doing, but it seems teh article/post is gone with the wind.

[citicroego]

if this happens, probably well over half the people in our area will not even notice. they mostly don't do internet, teevee (would probably be the only thing they'd notice wrong), and all drive the farm truck that's been on the farm since the 70s. what will reek havoc is when the local mcdonald's and walmart close....

also, why does everyone care so much if the internet is gone if/when this happens? i would think you'll be so busy either getting the hell out of the city or big town you're in or defending the BOL you're at already. honestly, for me, the internet will definitely not be the first, second or even third thing on my mind.

edit: the ham radio thing would def be handy. just to find out what's goin on in the world, i guess.

[id2008]

I attached grounding kits to all my home electronics, and installed a main grounding bar in the dining room (behind the buffet table) to which I connected all the kitchen/living room electrical equipment. I have a second grounding bar upstairs to which all the electronics in the bedrooms and office are connected. From there the two main grounding bars are exothermally connected to a master grounding bar in the garage with two #2 insulated copper strand. From the MGB, two #2 copper wires are connected to an outside ground halo ring buried in a 42" deep trench surrounding my house (42" deep to be below frost line). The ground halo has 3' deep grounding wells at 10' on center, with solid copper ground rods to ensure strong electrical contact with the earth.

only one thing - an EMP is like a big physics experiment - very interesting from a technical point of view - full spectrum Extreme Magnitude Electro-Magnetic Fields & Energy.

But every loop of wire - including a half loop, i.e. a straight piece of wire, will have a current induced in it, if it is in the path of an EMP. therefore the ground wire needs to be shielded - and even that is not a guarantee.

So if ANYONE can find more information on that, please please PLEASE post it here, because I have been trying to find out how to do what he was doing, but it seems teh article/post is gone with the wind.

QST magazine is the #1 Ham magazine.

if there was a hack/ mash-up along these lines, good chance they would cover it.

http://www.arrl.org/qst

http://www.arrl.org/shop/VoIP-Intern...Radio-Amateurs




Ham Radio on the Internet - different than using Ham to access the Internet - but close and useful -

http://www.arrl.org/internet-ham-radio

[NudiJuicervich]

if this happens, probably well over half the people in our area will not even notice. they mostly don't do internet, teevee (would probably be the only thing they'd notice wrong), and all drive the farm truck that's been on the farm since the 70s. what will reek havoc is when the local mcdonald's and walmart close....

also, why does everyone care so much if the internet is gone if/when this happens? i would think you'll be so busy either getting the hell out of the city or big town you're in or defending the BOL you're at already. honestly, for me, the internet will definitely not be the first, second or even third thing on my mind.

edit: the ham radio thing would def be handy. just to find out what's goin on in the world, i guess.

I'm with you. I really would only want it to keep up on things, even though traffic would be slowed dramatically.

[Calluffence]

the nuke plant scenario would be the worst. most of those plants have 2 weeks of fuel, max, to keep generators running. after that, boom, and then everyone slowly dies from contamination.

[NudiJuicervich]

It's actually the opposite. Keeping the fuel cool is the real issue, Chad. They need to keep pumps running to pump water to keep the fuel cool. If they don't keep the fuel cool, you get a Fukushima.

[jokiruss]

“When it happens you’ll have 30 minutes to make it out of the city. And even then you’ll only have a one-in-three chance of survival.”

Survive what? Not having electricity? Not being able to drive. Unless I'm missing something, this sounds like alarmist propaganda. I'm willing to be enlightened.

We could use a few informational basics. Does this make the grid non-restorable, or is it just a question of time? And how much time would it be? Days, weeks, months, years? It's easy to imagine that this type of an event would cause a huge amount of technical and human resources to be diverted toward solving this problem. Perhaps this is the job creating event that they are looking for...

[citicroego]

“When it happens you’ll have 30 minutes to make it out of the city. And even then you’ll only have a one-in-three chance of survival.”

Survive what? Not having electricity? Not being able to drive. Unless I'm missing something, this sounds like alarmist propaganda. I'm willing to be enlightened.

the way i understand it... the sheeple will probably start freaking out. can't check out at walmart, can't get cash at the atm, no running vehicles, no teevee or internet, etc. i dunno what city or town the kid lives in but if it were a big one, like l.a., i'd wanna be out of there quick like. of course, 30 min wouldn't be enough time to get out.

[id2008]

We could use a few informational basics. Does this make the grid non-restorable, or is it just a question of time? And how much time would it be? Days, weeks, months, years? It's easy to imagine that this type of an event would cause a huge amount of technical and human resources to be diverted toward solving this problem. Perhaps this is the job creating event that they are looking for...

It gives TPTB a perfect reason to declare martial law.

they would say they needed to prioritize resources to support the restoration of infrastructure - infrastructure destroyed probably by a false flag.

same way the Judeo-Fascists did in Iraq - destroy the infra-structure, give Jew-connected firms contracts to rebuild the infrastructure.


of course, with EMP, it may not be false-flag - it could also be the result of 'conventional' nuclear weapons.

[Bigroza]

It could have been his perception that this guy who said it was an insider to this type of knowledge... Wouldn't really put much credence in a rumor like this!

I agree, but there is always a possibility of it happening. Hasn't this subject been discussed before?

I shudder to think of the uproar what will ensue when the masses don't have their porn and TV anymore.