[EjPWyPm4]

lets just say I've seen both guys in both accidents that ran into me. First one was twilight. So both our heatlights are on, and the other guy it was day light so headlights were off.

When you learn to drive here you're taught to have a quick peak in the rear vision mirror every 10 seconds to be aware of who is around you. That's how I drive, I know the situation of cars in front and behind. In accident 1 we were cut off and traffic was congested ahead so I had to break a little hard to avoid having an accident myself. The other guy had plenty of room to stop but he wasn't concentrating and pretty much braked last second not realising everyone ahead had almost stopped.

Accidnet two. Was stopped at a railway crossing. The guy just smacked right into me, in what was a bloody retarded rear end accident, as his approach to my car was pretty slow, just that he failed to break.

[viagraman]

lets just say I've seen both guys in both accidents that ran into me. First one was twilight. So both our heatlights are on, and the other guy it was day light so headlights were off.

When you learn to drive here you're taught to have a quick peak in the rear vision mirror every 10 seconds to be aware of who is around you. That's how I drive, I know the situation of cars in front and behind. In accident 1 we were cut off and traffic was congested ahead so I had to break a little hard to avoid having an accident myself. The other guy had plenty of room to stop but he wasn't concentrating and pretty much braked last second not realising everyone ahead had almost stopped.

Accidnet two. Was stopped at a railway crossing. The guy just smacked right into me, in what was a bloody retarded rear end accident, as his approach to my car was pretty slow, just that he failed to break.

Believe it or not, we're taught to use mirrors here as well. Your original story painted the picture of someone smashing into you in the dark and you said you didn't understand how they could not have seen you when you had seen them. I was trying to explain why you might have seen his lights first. I'm not disputing that it shouldn't have happened and was careless driving, I was just trying to put a point across regarding lights.

[kSmica]

What are you on about you raving lunatic???? I have xenon headlights and I can see perfectly far enough on a dark motorway to travel at 70mph and be able to stop in the distance I can see.

The only raving lunatic here seems to be you... As you've got Xenon lights and have sufficient visability, why did you jump in witht he 40mph bit, huh? I, and the others, were talking about those idiots who drive at a speed where they can't stop in the road they can see - you are not part of that group - well, maybe the idiot bit still fits

Stop assuming you know everything about everyone! I get it, you're an old man and you like to think you're imparting your wisdom on us young whippersnappers, but I haven't caused an accident yet and I'm not planning too.

True, I did make an assumption, which you had set yourself up for by not reading what I had been saying, and, as you say, I am trying to get some of the younger members to think about what they're doing in the hope it may save them from having an avoidable crash.
That you haven't had a crash or incident is great, but no-one I know has ever set out to have a crash or incident - still hasn't stopped them potentially, or actually, having one.

Was watching the BBC news, seems much of the snow is now gone - to be replaced by some flooding
What's it like over where you are, we've just had our first rain in over three weeks - really needed it!

[viagraman]

The only raving lunatic here seems to be you... As you've got Xenon lights and have sufficient visability, why did you jump in witht he 40mph bit, huh? I, and the others, were talking about those idiots who drive at a speed where they can't stop in the road they can see - you are not part of that group - well, maybe the idiot bit still fits

Because you've been banging on about doing 3mph in anything more than drizzle for days now. You're way too cautious.

Was watching the BBC news, seems much of the snow is now gone - to be replaced by some flooding
What's it like over where you are, we've just had our first rain in over three weeks - really needed it!

It's raining in Manchester, but it's always raining in Manchester. We don't really get sun, just less grey cloud at intervals.

[Infellgedq]

The only raving lunatic here seems to be you... As you've got Xenon lights and have sufficient visability, why did you jump in witht he 40mph bit, huh? I, and the others, were talking about those idiots who drive at a speed where they can't stop in the road they can see - you are not part of that group - well, maybe the idiot bit still fits

I'm in the same "group" as DM in that I'm perfectly happy to drive at the speed limit on unlit motorways because the risk of not seeing something in the road in the dark is not worth worrying about. Plus, the slower you drive under the speed limit the more risk you pose to other road users driving at the speed limit, and almost everyone drives at the speed limit on dark motorways around here.

The only difference in opinions between mine and DM's is that he reckons that he will be able to see and stop for anything in the road while doing 70mph. My opinion is that if it's something small and non reflective, I won't. But is this extra risk going to make me drive slower than the speed limit? No way, and if you think I'm an idiot, I can assure you I'm one of the slower drivers on the motorway in our country, so you might as well say everyone in the UK is an idiot.

[viagraman]

The only difference in opinions between mine and DM's is that he reckons that he will be able to see and stop for anything in the road while doing 70mph..

I should have put a minimum size limit on that lol. Anything bigger than a large dog.

[SinncmxM]

first crash: did the ****ing wheel just fall off? (it did)

second crash: we are going to land in the river! (we didn't, but hit the bridge instead)

[kSmica]

Because you've been banging on about doing 3mph in anything more than drizzle for days now. You're way too cautious.


It's raining in Manchester, but it's always raining in Manchester. We don't really get sun, just less grey cloud at intervals.

Nah, I've been banging on driving at a speed where you can stop in the clear road ahead, if the car has poor lights or the driver has poor night vision, they should drive at a speed to allow that, in the slow lane if needed.
If you can see ahead, no reason to slow down - unless there's some other reason to, of course.

Sucks about the weather - I always thought it was a joke about the Manchurian (sp?) rain .

[viagraman]

Sucks about the weather - I always thought it was a joke about the Manchurian (sp?) rain .

We get about 140 days of rain a year on average. Not actually as bad as the rest of the UK but Manchester never really gets past dull and grey for the rest of the year.