[CorpoRasion]

Blah..

It's the same here but I think _FAKE_ means that even when you are going straight off a round about you have to indicate. It didn't use to be the law here but I still don't see many people doing it. I think you only have to indicate if it is safe to do so. i.e. if you have need both hands on the wheel or you have to change gears I don't believe that it is necessary to indicate off.

[spaxiaroorbes]

i.e. if you have need both hands on the wheel or you have to change gears I don't believe that it is necessary to indicate off.

Ideally you should really be in the right gear before you even entre the roundabout. Plus your hands should be at the same level as where the indicator stalks are so it shouldn't be a problem indicating even if you've got both hands on the wheel (assuming it's at the 9-3/10-2 positions)

[CorpoRasion]

Ideally you should really be in the right gear before you even entre the roundabout. Plus your hands should be at the same level as where the indicator stalks are so it shouldn't be a problem indicating even if you've got both hands on the wheel (assuming it's at the 9-3/10-2 positions)

Well yes ideally you should be in the right gear and have your hands in the correct positions but obviously this isn't always the case as you may not be on a round roundabout or the roundabout may be tight or you may encounter something on the round about that requires you to take evasive action.

[Fouttysotlalf]

Indicating at a roundabout is a state law, some have it some don't I believe.

As for not indicating when leaving a roundabout. As far as I know in NSW you must indicate when leaving a roundabout, it's just the same as if you don't indicate when changing lanes. Obviously if you get fined or not is a different thing.

If someone cannot change gear's, steer and indicate while entering and leaving a roundabout then their driving skill is lacking and they would fail a driving test.

edit, btw I was right, it has the NSW rules here.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregul...undabouts.html

It annoy's me when people don't indicate off a roundabout, how do I know when they are exiting? Then there are those that enter 2 lane roundabout's in the right lane, and then must panic when confronted with two lanes and veer into the left lane that you are occupying.

[rostpribru]

heres a tip.

just because your being taught how to drive properly dont expect other road users to be driving properly.


I.E keep ur whits about you and if a car is indicating to go in a direction dont take it as gospel that they are and expect the unexpected.

theres a lot of drivers out there who simply shouldn't be on the road.

[rostpribru]

and always remember

Mirror Signal Manouvre.

Mirror Signal Position speed Look.

Preparation Observation Manoeuvre.

get them right and ull be allreeeeeeeeeet

[dalnecymync]

Logical reason behind it is, and this is from how I udnerstand it and not some website, is that when going specially for a automatic operated car you may not been able to perform some actions which are needed driving manually. Think of foot/gear actions.

A person learns in auto, need all his concentration on the road he is on and the traffic around him/her.

In America condictions are different than in Europe. In Europe alot of small roads with lot's of bends and cycle trails, cyclists, pedestrians and all obstacles u can mention are following up each other in short distances, this makes the driver very aware of what is going on left-right-front and back of the vehicle.


Someone who has problems or difficulties driving manual, maybe handicapped or just because his head is more with pulling up, changing gears and all that goes with driving manual , law has made a statement that when passing for auto the x amount of years you may not drive manual, simply because the person can't do it.

When traffic becomes more routine and the person is not a novice anymore and know how to act in traffic this may be alterd to drive manual.

well from what i saw in germany i can understand the need to "upgrade" to manual only after being confortable with handling a car. but still seems strange to me hehe

thx for the info

[spaxiaroorbes]

That said, I find driving an automatic difficult, only because I end up pressing where the clutch pedal should be and move the gear stick.

[Kghikeds]

I bet if we took away all automatic road-ready vehicles, the number of accidents will go down because there is a larger degree of learning in driving manual gearboxes.

I hate automatics. My left foot stomps in the area where the clutch would be in my automatic car occassionally (I had no choice in gearboxes when I got this used vehicle).

I miss my Geo Metro....blasting Rammstein doing 30 over the speed limit in countryside winding backroads......(55 miles / gallon too hahah). Stick-shifting makes it soooooo much more fun !

[gennickO]

I bet if we took away all automatic road-ready vehicles, the number of accidents will go down because there is a larger degree of learning in driving manual gearboxes.

I hate automatics. My left foot stomps in the area where the clutch would be in my automatic car occassionally (I had no choice in gearboxes when I got this used vehicle).

I miss my Geo Metro....blasting Rammstein doing 30 over the speed limit in countryside winding backroads......(55 miles / gallon too hahah). Stick-shifting makes it soooooo much more fun !

I hear ya, autos take away that "connection" you feel with your car.

[Smittoh]

It annoy's me when people don't indicate off a roundabout, how do I know when they are exiting?

Common sense? Its very easy to see when someone is going to exit a roundabout even when they don't indicate. Though I admit its probably better to indicate just in case you do get people who don't know.

My main problem is switching the indicator from left to right or vise versa because when I'm turning its hard to reach the indicator. I have to take one hand of the wheel to get to it and thats against the law (at least when going for your P's). At least I think so. I tried asking my mates if they had to do it or not, and they said they couldn't remember but said it shouldn't be a big deal if you don't, so long as you make it obvious of where your going.

[Ad0i89Od]

Common sense? Its very easy to see when someone is going to exit a roundabout even when they don't indicate. Though I admit its probably better to indicate just in case you do get people who don't know.

My main problem is switching the indicator from left to right or vise versa because when I'm turning its hard to reach the indicator. I have to take one hand of the wheel to get to it and thats against the law (at least when going for your P's). At least I think so. I tried asking my mates if they had to do it or not, and they said they couldn't remember but said it shouldn't be a big deal if you don't, so long as you make it obvious of where your going.

Your supposed to feed the wheel through your hands so they stay in the same in the same position, then the indicator wouldn't be hard to reach.

And yes it should be easy to see when someone is exiting the roundabout but like OHP said, people are unreliable in their actions and often make split decisions without thinking about who they might affect. Also it seems to be more and more common for people to leave their indicators on by accident. An awful lot of people shouldn't be on the road.

[Smittoh]

Your supposed to feed the wheel through your hands so they stay in the same in the same position, then the indicator wouldn't be hard to reach.

Yes but this is not easy when your a learner. I'm a learner myself and I can tell you its not easy to switch the indicator "whilst" turning the wheel. Maybe when keeping your hands and wheel straight, but the roundabouts here are small and you never keep your wheel in the same place your always turning it.

But hey, I suppose with a bit of practice it would seem easy after a while. Roundabouts aren't exactly something I go around every time I got for my driving lessons. And come to think of it, I've got all my 50 hours driving lessons up[thumbup]. I'm just to lazy to fill out the log book and book myself in for the driving test to get my P's.

Also almost everyone I know failed at completing their driving test first go, they usually get it their 2nd-3rd go. So I don't really mind, the driving instructor tells you what you did wrong and you got 2 weeks to correct it. So all good for me[yes]

[spaxiaroorbes]

_Fake_ If you're a learner, don't worry too much about it. You'll get it eventually.

I literally threw half the things out the window when I passed. I don't feed the wheel, I cross my arms when I'm steering, I rest my arm on the window sill.

Question about the 50 hours, is that compulsory?

[AnriXuinriZ]

So i geuss he failed since he is banned ?

OOooo its the PS3 WiFi guy [rofl]

[Smittoh]

_Fake_ If you're a learner, don't worry too much about it. You'll get it eventually.

I literally threw half the things out the window when I passed. I don't feed the wheel, I cross my arms when I'm steering, I rest my arm on the window sill.

LOL. My main problem IS doing the right things. I'm very much like you, I'm very relaxed, I like to have my elbow on the window sill, I like flowing with traffic which is usually 5-10kmph over the speed limit, sometimes 20kmph or over on highways (I ALWAYS do the speed limit near shops, schools and places I know is crowded or unsafe). I find going with traffic a lot easier for me cause its easier to change lanes, you don't have to worry about going the speed limit and seeing a car fly past you as you change lanes and almost hitting the other car.

I'm really getting the hang of changing gears, I can do it fairly smoothly now, Hill starts are easy (used to be hard), and I also tend to skip gears, like go from 2nd to 4th, its quicker and easier on the clutch. I'm also VERY aware of traffic. My dad has taught me to pay attention to everything thats happening on the road in front of me from the car thats directly in front to the car thats several hundred meters ahead.

I know how to do the right things, its just uncomfortable for me, also boring, and I can't see how its any safer than what I normally do.

Question about the 50 hours, is that compulsory?

Was compulsory when I got my L's. Lucky for me I got my L's before the new laws came in. Now you HAVE to do 100 hours and 12 months on your L's before going for your P's. I've done more than 12 months (mainly cause I had no one to take me driving) and I only have to do the 50 hours which I've done. But unfortunately I have to do the new driving test rules which you have to do the test for 45 minutes instead of 10-15 minutes. But I don't care, its just wasting the governments money not mine (unless they have put the prices up and you have o pay for the extra time, in which I will be very f*cking pissed off, because its already expensive as it is)

[spaxiaroorbes]

Was compulsory when I got my L's. Lucky for me I got my L's before the new laws came in. Now you HAVE to do 100 hours and 12 months on your L's before going for your P's. I've done more than 12 months (mainly cause I had no one to take me driving) and I only have to do the 50 hours which I've done. But unfortunately I have to do the new driving test rules which you have to do the test for 45 minutes instead of 10-15 minutes. But I don't care, its just wasting the governments money not mine (unless they have put the prices up and you have o pay for the extra time, in which I will be very f*cking pissed off, because its already expensive as it is)

100 hours and 12 months? [shocked] I did 20 hours and 5 months before I passed my test.

UK theory tests recently went up from 35 questions to 50. The theory itself is very easy, most of it is common knowledge and the other answers they give you are blatantly wrong.

And what do you mean by wasting the government's money. Do you not pay for the tests?

[Fouttysotlalf]

Common sense? Its very easy to see when someone is going to exit a roundabout even when they don't indicate. Though I admit its probably better to indicate just in case you do get people who don't know.

Okay here is a situation for you.

2 lane roundabout, peak hour and traffic is at a stand still entering the roundabout. You are in the left lane wanting to go straight through (second exit usually). You finally get to the head of the line and wait for a gap. Car's are turning left in the exit before you (to your right), but alot don't indicate to get off, so you miss some opportunities to get in the roundabout. Then car's are also failing to indicate they are exiting the roundabout when in the middle lane. So you enter the round about and find yourself dicing with traffic trying exit from your inside.

Of course I manage fine and take it all my stride as I grew up in the roundabout town of Canberra, I used to go through 4 large consequative roundabout's everyday to get to work, as you say it's instinct and judgment. But new driver's don't have that.
That's why it's important to indicate your intentions on a roundabout.
My main problem is switching the indicator from left to right or vise versa because when I'm turning its hard to reach the indicator. I have to take one hand of the wheel to get to it and thats against the law (at least when going for your P's). At least I think so. I tried asking my mates if they had to do it or not, and they said they couldn't remember but said it shouldn't be a big deal if you don't, so long as you make it obvious of where your going. Rubbish. You are taught the 10 to 2 position for a reason and it's not hard, in that position it's a simple flick of a finger and you indicate any time you want.
If you can't change gear's, headcheck, indicate, change lanes mid turn without rear ending the poor sod infront of you, then you still need to work at your driving.

[yovbQVpD]

Common sense? Its very easy to see when someone is going to exit a roundabout even when they don't indicate.

Uh huh, well, all I can really say to that statement, is that is complete and utter bollocks.

You are basically gambling on knowing the intentions of somebody who has already demonstrated no regard for other road users by driving a car around a circle giving no indication of where they might exit...and you are going to use common sense. [rofl]

Thankfully for your passenger, it'll be your side of the car that gets hit.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but guessing what somebody is going to do in 1 ton of metal at 30mph doesn't strike me as a rewarding occupation when you are the potential target.

[Smittoh]

UK theory tests recently went up from 35 questions to 50. The theory itself is very easy, most of it is common knowledge and the other answers they give you are blatantly wrong.

Yea, we have to do I believe 60 questions on the theory test and I aced it with 100% score[thumbup]. Here if you get 1 important question wrong its an instant failure and if you get 3-4 normal questions wrong its a fail. I guessed like 2 questions which I had no idea of (one of them being to do with roundabouts) and I got them right so I'm happy.

And as for the increase in hours. Here in Australia we have f*ckers that like to break the laws once they go onto their P's by constantly speeding, drag racing and taking peoples lives. So the government made it more difficult for people to get their L's and us innocent people have to suffer for it.

And what do you mean by wasting the government's money. Do you not pay for the tests?

Yes we have to pay for it. What I'm saying is that before I believe it cost something like $200 to go for your driving test and that includes doing the test, new license etc etc. What I mean by wasting governments money is that unless we have to pay MORE for the driving test for the extra 30-35 minutes (which is now compulsory) the government will have to pay the instructor for the extra time. But knowing the government and the RTA they will make us pay for it and I bet trying to go for your P's will be as expensive as trying to get your car registered. If thats the case I won't be able to afford it

Sorry if I sound harsh, but guessing what somebody is going to do in 1 ton of metal at 30mph doesn't strike me as a rewarding occupation when you are the potential target.

30mph Thats a bit fast isn't it? I only go that fast on small roundabouts where theres hardly any turning involved. I'm pretty cautious when going round the roundabouts because as you suggested you don't REALLY know if they are going to turn off or not. Just that most drivers make it obvious.

Also 90% of people I see going around the roundabouts NEVER use the indicator if they are just going straight up. They only use them when turning left or right. Than you have 5% or maybe more of people who are just (insert plenty of words here) that never use their indicator and make it quite hard for people like me cause I've almost hit a few when they are changing lanes or turning corners.

2 lane roundabout

Theres only one two lane roundabout where I live and its about 3km away. I mainly live near highways and main roads so roundabouts aren't exactly on my agenda. Also all the other roundabouts are single laned so your little question has no effect on me.

Rubbish. You are taught the 10 to 2 position for a reason and it's not hard, in that position it's a simple flick of a finger and you indicate any time you want.

WTF is the 10 to 2 position I've never heard of it.

If you can't change gear's, headcheck, indicate, change lanes mid turn without rear ending the poor sod infront of you, then you still need to work at your driving.

Dude I'm really good at changing gears, I'm ok at headchecks, I can indicate well, and I've never changed lanes mid turn, I've never had any reason to.

All I got to say is that I guess it all depends on where you live. I've driven in peak hours plenty of times and have had no troubles whatsoever. I only indicate on a roundabout if I'm turning left or right but rarely when going straight ahead. I'm very good on main roads and highways and always flow with the traffic and always keep to the speed limit in appropriate areas. Perhaps when i go visit Canberra I will use the correct roundabout indications.

EDIT: Sorry for long post.