[immoceefe]

I'm not saying it's odd to buy and own gun's to hunt and target shoot. I'm saying that buying so many at once is committing to the hobby rather strongly and suddenly. Do people target shoot with you pistols like they're John Wayne?

I'm saying I know people with 30+ guns, and sometimes they pick up several at a time, so no it is not really odd behavior.

But then you come from a country where people can't really have guns so I can forgive you for being shocked by this.

[AnypecekceS]

ALso, where did an unemployed student get the money for all these weapons and equipment, which includes SWAT body armour. As well as all the bomb making ingredients. Not to mention the training and ability to create and set up these bomb traps. How's he done that without blowing himself up?

Most of the stuff the found they by now is homemade, and i'm guessing you can find most of that stuff online.
Heck, alot of pages that do that just for the jihad.
Dont think he would have had to spend alot for that, as for the body armor: quick google learns that a police vest is roughly 270 Dollars.

Well he certainly stopped being mental all of a sudden when he happily surrendered and confessed to the booby-trapped appartment.

What's his motive? Some poor test score? Really... You do realize we already had a few nutters who gave them self up willingly. Breivik for one, the nutter who ate someone. (dont remeber his name) Heck, he was even proud.
There are just ppl around who have a miswire in their head, they do very bad things and dont blink. In most cases dont even acknowledge that it was wrong anyway. Fritzel comes to mind.

As for his motive: no clue yet, but most of it will be that there is something wrong in his head, likely since childhood. Who knows what set him off?

I work with mentally challenged people, some had it by birth. Some by external forces.
We have 1 old man (54, yes thats old in their case) who just smiles and follows you if you ask him.
He beat a roommate badly just because he he didnt get a sigaret. Prior to that no problems.

[Lafclaria]

Breivik has his own beleifs and idea's. They were quite extreme, he did what he did and handed himself in when it was accomplished. This was all part of his plan.

Holmes's flat was rigged to kill, so why did he hand himself in? It can't have been part of his plan, and a bit late to change his mind. Someone who is one minute shooting kids at close range does not then become concerned about the safety of the police. Speaking of police... rather surprised they didn't shoot him dead.

Anyway, half the time the 'nutter' hands themself in, they aren't even the person who did the shooting. They're the fall guy who's portrayed as a nutter, who then conveniently hands themselves in.

These events have been happeneing for years. The truth is often eventually revealed. 7/7 bombings had British intelligence links. Mumbai attacks had CIA agens involved etc etc

[ronaldasten]

Breivik has his own beleifs and idea's. They were quite extreme, he did what he did and handed himself in when it was accomplished. This was all part of his plan.

Holmes's flat was rigged to kill, so why did he hand himself in? It can't have been part of his plan, and a bit late to change his mind. Someone who is one minute shooting kids at close range does not then become concerned about the safety of the police. Speaking of police... rather surprised they didn't shoot him dead.

Anyway, half the time the 'nutter' hands themself in, they aren't even the person who did the shooting. They're the fall guy who's portrayed as a nutter, who then conveniently hands themselves in.

These events have been happeneing for years. The truth is often eventually revealed. 7/7 bombings had British intelligence links. Mumbai attacks had CIA agens involved etc etc

Because this isn't a crazy or irrational idea.

[Keendwainge]

Because this isn't a crazy or irrational idea.

The British have used Al Qaeda as informants for a long time. David Headley who lead the Mumbai attacks was a CIA agent, the underpants bomber was CIA etc. The evidence is there in snippets, but you can ignore it. Our governments never lie to us!

[steerryGritly]

These events have been happeneing for years. The truth is often eventually revealed. 7/7 bombings had British intelligence links. Mumbai attacks had CIA agens involved etc etc

The British have used Al Qaeda as informants for a long time. David Headley who lead the Mumbai attacks was a CIA agent, the underpants bomber was CIA etc. The evidence is there in snippets, but you can ignore it. Our governments never lie to us!

Why do people believe this ****? I never had you down as a conspiriloon, Kyros. You'll be going on about chemtrails next....

[HitAttetlyTek]

Why do people believe this ****? I never had you down as a conspiriloon, Kyros. You'll be going on about chemtrails next....

Bungle, you also have beliefs that others find ridiculous. As I'm sure I do, and everyone else pretty much.

[Henldyhl]

The British have used Al Qaeda as informants for a long time. David Headley who lead the Mumbai attacks was a CIA agent, the underpants bomber was CIA etc. The evidence is there in snippets, but you can ignore it. Our governments never lie to us!

I've some suspicions regarding conspiracies, and am very cynical about governments, but you're coming over as a fruitloop...

[yxn2dC07]

I've some suspicions regarding conspiracies, and am very cynical about governments, but you're coming over as a fruitloop...

I can well believe the government using Al Queda informants.

[Barryrich]

People generally don't believe things until it's what told by our media, Reuters, AP, ITN etc then it becomes accepted. Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Underpants bomber is interesting because the CIA still had control over him, yet what was he doing with a bomb on a plane?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...orking-for-cia

Mumbai: http://rt.com/usa/news/terrorist-cia-mumbai-attack/

7/7: We use people to infiltrate Al Qaeda to get us intel, which is fine. But that results in us protecting those individuals. If one of them should happen to mastermind a plot like this, then, oh dear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1MKuVRCrk
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1425

Then later follows the scare tactics... they want us to feel helpless and under attack, so that we rely on the government to save us and but rocket launchers on the roof of our flat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...warns-MI6.html


I don't believe i'm crazy, I just find it interesting. I don't believe we get the full story, but maybe it's for our own good. I'm not trying to persuade anyone's opinion, but try justify myself not being mad.

[portoskins]

People generally don't believe things until it's what told by our media, Reuters, AP, ITN etc then it becomes accepted. Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Underpants bomber is interesting because the CIA still had control over him, yet what was he doing with a bomb on a plane?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...orking-for-cia

Mumbai: http://rt.com/usa/news/terrorist-cia-mumbai-attack/

7/7: We use people to infiltrate Al Qaeda to get us intel, which is fine. But that results in us protecting those individuals. If one of them should happen to mastermind a plot like this, then, oh dear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1MKuVRCrk
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1425

Then later follows the scare tactics... they want us to feel helpless and under attack, so that we rely on the government to save us and but rocket launchers on the roof of our flat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...warns-MI6.html


I don't believe i'm crazy, I just find it interesting. I don't believe we get the full story, but maybe it's for our own good. I'm not trying to persuade anyone's opinion, but try justify myself not being mad.

Dude, seriously, the guardian and the daily mail? I'd give the sun more credibility than them and that's a toy paper.

[Khurlxgq]

People generally don't believe things until it's what told by our media, Reuters, AP, ITN etc then it becomes accepted. Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Underpants bomber is interesting because the CIA still had control over him, yet what was he doing with a bomb on a plane?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...orking-for-cia

Mumbai: http://rt.com/usa/news/terrorist-cia-mumbai-attack/

7/7: We use people to infiltrate Al Qaeda to get us intel, which is fine. But that results in us protecting those individuals. If one of them should happen to mastermind a plot like this, then, oh dear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1MKuVRCrk
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1425

Then later follows the scare tactics... they want us to feel helpless and under attack, so that we rely on the government to save us and but rocket launchers on the roof of our flat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...warns-MI6.html


I don't believe i'm crazy, I just find it interesting. I don't believe we get the full story, but maybe it's for our own good. I'm not trying to persuade anyone's opinion, but try justify myself not being mad.

Youtube, rt.com, theinsider.org. Such credible sources. This is laughable.

[Lotyqnag]

It's reported by more sources than that. This is how it is... any source will be shot down like they're laughable. Who is a believable source?

The Daily Mail is perfect for scare tactics because they have lots of readers who are possible to influence.

Every video ever is on Youtube, it doesn't mean they're all rubbish.

Which new's sources are more reliable than the Guardian or RT? Those were just some examples, the same thing is reported by Channel 4, CBS, The Mirror, The Telegraph and Sky after a quick google seach. I suppose no source of news is credible though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...aks?intcmp=239
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...i6-fury-829182
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...perations.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...ear-bomb-plot/
http://news.sky.com/story/17132/brit...lane-bomb-plot
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-national.html
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/sh...ps-sink-spies/

The story that he handed the bomb over to the CIA like a good chap is what they have to concoct when it comes to light that he is working for the CIA, essentially. If that doesn't come to light then it's another foiled terrorist plot so that we become more reliant on our government to save us, so we accept having our genitals groped at air ports.

Name a few credible sources and we'll see what they say. You're laughable because you believe everything the news initially tells us and what the government says. Use your own brain for a change.

[blackjackiisre]

Great story by Roger Ebert in the NY Times. Pretty much all there is to say about it imo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/op...fore.html?_r=1

Try and read it all.

[surefireinvest]

Great story by Roger Ebert in the NY Times. Pretty much all there is to say about it imo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/op...fore.html?_r=1

Try and read it all.

It's an interesting article but here's my thought's...

The article point's out how Holmes wanted attention. My thought are that this wasn't his personality. I do believe the shooting needed attention though, hence the venue, but for other reasons.

It also tried to paint him as insane, which I don't entirely agree with, especially the non-resistance arrest.

It then talks about the "insane" gun laws, and that restrictions should be called for. The writer isn't stupid though because he says how believing an event like this would trigger re-thinking gun laws would make you a paranoid fanatic. It's like a double-bluff.

[Uvgsgssu]

First off all let me ask you this: if this was a setup, why? no laws will change, gun possession will be the same.
Even after a few of these things, nothing has changed. And i doubt anyone in the audience needed to be silenced.

Second: You are confusing insane with what you see in the cinema. Most of these idiots want to be in the spotlight and have no intention of dying before that. I can name a long long list of mass murderess, rapists, ect who in the end came in willingly.

ps. Let me be very clear, i am not mocking you or your theory. Just offering counterpoints

[Dreqsqse]

First off all let me ask you this: if this was a setup, why? no laws will change, gun possession will be the same.
Even after a few of these things, nothing has changed. And i doubt anyone in the audience needed to be silenced.

Second: You are confusing insane with what you see in the cinema. Most of these idiots want to be in the spotlight and have no intention of dying before that. I can name a long long list of mass murderess, rapists, ect who in the end came in willingly.

ps. Let me be very clear, i am not mocking you or your theory. Just offering counterpoints

Are you sure no laws will change? Obama certainly want's them to. I know there's lot's of shootings that make no difference, because they never see the publicity of the staged ones, maybe.

Murderers, rapists etc are evil people who often hatch calculated plans. I suppose it depends on the definition of insane. He has to be said to be insane otherwise it's illogical for him to be throwing away his life. When there's been shootings in this country of late, there's a reason, a motive. Sometimes not just acting alone either. I don't believe Holmes was acting alone.

[Verger99]

Why are you guys still discussing this? It's a load of crazy bunk and is not a legitimate topic. Any rational person knows that these conspiracies are a bunch of crap that people make up, because they are unable to cope with the harsh reality of randomness and life. I thought we had weeded out all the conspiracy nut-jobs on these forums.

Edit: Let me be clear. You should be mocked for these views.

[wooclosmercob]

Does everyone agree that this scumbag should be executed immediately?

[FUNALA]

Does everyone agree that this scumbag should be executed immediately?

No. I wholeheartedly disagree with capital punishment.