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**BV6lwvXf** · 09-09-2009, 01:30 PM

Jason K is back with a new article that is a fun read. He talks about the golfer that he can do without on the course. It is fun and entertaining.

The Hackers Paradise

**Unhappu** · 09-09-2009, 03:15 PM

Interesting, but after saying "this isn't about pace of play", the first, second, third and fifth ones are all about pace of play.

Ball retriever guy: use it if you want, but not when I'm waiting on the tee or in the fairway.

What happened to "where else would you rather be?"

I would rather be playing golf, not waiting on someone so that I can play golf, but that's just me and why I think those people he mentioned deserve a spot in the article.

**BV6lwvXf** · 09-09-2009, 03:17 PM

While I think you are correct Ty, those players are about pace of play, I think he was referring to the guys that take 9 practice swings, and stare at every angle of a putt when he spoke about pace of play. However he should have been more clear maybe.

**grosqueneen** · 09-09-2009, 04:28 PM

I agree with "Where else would you rather be?"

As I've said many times in the past, no one on their death bed has ever said that that they wished they'd spent less time on the golf course.
While a six-hour round is no fun, it's hardly the end of the world and there are certainly a lot worse things I could be doing.

As for the poseurs, they've been there since day-one and while they may serve as light entertainment for their habits and their ostentatious displays of equipment and machismo, the bottom line is that as long as they're not holding everyone up, I really don't mind them being there. (The same thing is true for "Blue Tee guy").

Mulligan Guy drives me crazy but in a different way. If someone rinses a shot or sends it deep into the woods and they declare their "Mulligan", I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with are the people who hit a poor shot and then have to hit another one to demonstrate (to whom?) that really knew how to hit the shot after all.

Who really cares?

Some things I think should have been mentioned are:

People who don't fix ballmarks (My personal #1 pet peeve)
"Carts only" policies.
Foursomes in two drive carts who have to all "visit" each player's shot instead of going to their individual balls.
People who take in excess of 7 or 8 shots to get to a green and then begin plumb bobbing putts (first cousin to "Mr. This Putt is for the Masters Win Guy").
People who leave their carts at the bottom (front) of the green directly opposite the exit point, (who then have to walk all the way across the green to get it while everyone in the fairway is waiting to hit).

There are many more things that people do that get under people's skin, but these are my main complaints. As for "The Magician"; the "The way too quick to declare a golf ball lost guy"; and "Mr. Temper tantrum", they don't bother me. In fact, the first two actually tend to speed things up and no one sticks around to actually listen to anyone's tantrum, so it's all good.

The real gem in this article is, "The guy who searches for his ball as if it’s made of gold". These folks really drive everyone nuts. It's a golf ball for cryin' out loud and judging by the way most of these folks swing a club, it's hardly the first one they've ever lost. My advice to them is to either chill out and accept the fact that this happens or stop buying Pro V1's.

Good article!

-JP

**BV6lwvXf** · 09-09-2009, 04:59 PM

Another one that I have learned about over the year of THP is "Swing Change Guy". You hear all about how great they are on internet forums and then you get a chance to play with them and they are "going through a swing change".

This player seems to pop up a lot with our invites. I love playing with every single person that comes to our area though, so it evens out.

**grosqueneen** · 09-09-2009, 05:06 PM

Another one that I have learned about over the year of THP is "Swing Change Guy". You hear all about how great they are on internet forums and then you get a chance to play with them and they are "going through a swing change".

This player seems to pop up a lot with our invites. I love playing with every single person that comes to our area though, so it evens out.

Are you suggesting that there are people who DON'T hit 300 tee shots?

Say it ain't so!

-JP

**griddle** · 09-09-2009, 05:12 PM

I know there is at least one person that doesn’t hit it 300. Me.

**Sydneyfonzi** · 09-09-2009, 05:29 PM

I wonder if it's possible to use all of the typical excuses during a round with said members? Like "I'm changing my swing because I got new clubs I'm not used to yet while wearing clothes that make me uncomfy but I'm still tired from my flight and I'm just nervous to be playing with JB."

**BV6lwvXf** · 09-09-2009, 05:31 PM

Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else.

**DeilMikina** · 09-09-2009, 05:45 PM

What I do have a problem with are the people who hit a poor shot and then have to hit another one to demonstrate (to whom?) that really knew how to hit the shot after all.

Who really cares?

I do that when I am playing with just friends. I call them confidence shots. I don't do it for anyone but me. It's nice to know that just because you didn't, it doesn't mean you can't.

The article was pretty good. I don't mind slow players either (to an extent). I do like to finish 18 in less than 7 hours though.

**BV6lwvXf** · 09-09-2009, 05:46 PM

I do that when I am playing with just friends. I call them confidence shots. I don't do it for anyone but me. It's nice to know that just because you didn't, it doesn't mean you can't.

The article was pretty good. I don't mind slow players either (to an extent). I do like to finish 18 in less then 7 hours though.

I agree with you. If there is nobody waiting, and we are just having fun, I think it helps my game during rounds.

**TravelMan** · 09-09-2009, 05:57 PM

Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else.

Suuuuuuure you do :P
lol

**rouletteroulette** · 09-09-2009, 05:57 PM

I'm happy to see so much conversation after reading this article. While I know that some of my points do affect pace of play it isnt' quite the same. The reason they are on the list is because in my opinion they're just completely unnecessary, sure a guy who is just beginning is slow, but at least he's not intentionally doing something that he knows just holds up play, especially when there is someone behind him! It comes down to it being very irritating having someone digging in the marsh for ball after ball when I'm behind them. It's a lot to do with respect than anything else.

The guy who never fixes a ball mark on the green should have been on that list too, very high on that list in fact!!! Good call, JP!!!

Keep the chatter going, this was just my list, who is on your's?

**grosqueneen** · 09-09-2009, 06:00 PM

I do that when I am playing with just friends. I call them confidence shots. I don't do it for anyone but me. It's nice to know that just because you didn't, it doesn't mean you can't.

The article was pretty good. I don't mind slow players either (to an extent). I do like to finish 18 in less than 7 hours though.

Hey, we've all done that at some point and a lot of what I say about such things is very tongue in cheek. But I have on occasion been paired up with people who have "validation" issues who seem to have to "prove themselves" constantly and that drives me crazy.

I've been playing long enough to know when someone can or can't play and I can tell the difference between a good player having an "off" day and a hacker who has never had an "on" day in their life and when it's the latter who constantly "plays another one", I tend to run out of patience more quickly.

But in my world, I honestly don't care what anyone else does or how often they do it just as long as the "Prime Directive" (keeping up with group in front) isn't compromised.

-JP

**en-druzhba** · 09-09-2009, 06:09 PM

The one guy not mentioned in the article was the "foot dragger". I played behind him Monday at a very nice, well maintained course. He literally ruined several of the greens. It looked like he dug in his soft spikes and then spun around----completely around many of the holes. I stopped the course marshal and showed him. He went looking for the guy but came back later to say they must have finished up because all eighteen greens looked like that. Just stupid!

**F1grandprix** · 09-09-2009, 06:11 PM

Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else.

He's telling the truth, he is fun to golf with... just make sure your shoes are tied tight and be ready to play the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life

**BV6lwvXf** · 09-09-2009, 06:15 PM

He's telling the truth, he is fun to golf with... just make sure your shoes are tied tight and be ready to play the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life

CM knows me well. We do play fast around these parts. we had a foursome play a 4 hour round the other day and I was not having fun. We were the 1st group out and it should have been SOOOO much faster. But that is what happens when you get paired with "ball hunters".

**gymnAnemoe** · 09-09-2009, 06:25 PM

Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else.

a 5 is not good enough? You are in the top 2%. Ok,

**9uWzBx4l** · 09-09-2009, 06:25 PM

Here is my list:

Excuse girl/guy - The sun was in my eyes, the wind was against me, should have used whatever club, etc.
I can drive the green guy - Just hit the ball - you can't reach the green from the tee and never will
Never knows who is away girl - Yes we play ready golf, but you're behind me so hit
Walk in my line girl/guy - Golf 101 - First thing you needed to learn
Is that my ball girl/guy - If you're not going to mark it - at least look at the number, not just the brand
Never touches the flagstick girl/guy - Yes, we take turns taking it out and replacing it
Can't replace a divot girl/guy - You dug it up - now put it back
Drives into my fairway girl/guy - You're supposed to yield the fairway to the people on that hole - again Golf 101
Glass is half empty girl/guy - You're playing golf for heaven's sake - try to be happy

**grosqueneen** · 09-09-2009, 06:28 PM

He's telling the truth, he is fun to golf with... just make sure your shoes are tied tight and be ready to play the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life

Oh.

He's one of THOSE?

Kidding aside, I'm really not into "Speed Golf".

I have no problem with moving efficiently throughout a golf course (as a walker,I generally do just that out of necessity), nor do I have a problem with a brisk pace of play. But, I'm there to relax and enjoy the round and the surroundings as well, so setting some kind of speed record is the last thing on my mind.

"Ready Golf" and the Prime Directive are fine and I wish more people would pay attention to those things. But "the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life" is not high on my list of priorities.

That said, the best round I ever played in my life was accomplished as a twosome and in less than 3 hours on a completely empty golf course, but that just happened on its own and we weren't "trying" to do anything other than play a good round. So if playing normally happens to result in a fast time, that's OK. But deliberately playing fast is something altogether different.

-JP

09-09-2009, 01:30 PM	#1
BV6lwvXf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	Golfer's Ruining This Game Jason K is back with a new article that is a fun read. He talks about the golfer that he can do without on the course. It is fun and entertaining. The Hackers Paradise Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 03:15 PM	#2
Unhappu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Interesting, but after saying "this isn't about pace of play", the first, second, third and fifth ones are all about pace of play. Ball retriever guy: use it if you want, but not when I'm waiting on the tee or in the fairway. What happened to "where else would you rather be?" I would rather be playing golf, not waiting on someone so that I can play golf, but that's just me and why I think those people he mentioned deserve a spot in the article. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 03:17 PM	#3
BV6lwvXf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	While I think you are correct Ty, those players are about pace of play, I think he was referring to the guys that take 9 practice swings, and stare at every angle of a putt when he spoke about pace of play. However he should have been more clear maybe. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 04:28 PM	#4
grosqueneen Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	I agree with "Where else would you rather be?" As I've said many times in the past, no one on their death bed has ever said that that they wished they'd spent *less* time on the golf course. While a six-hour round is no fun, it's hardly the end of the world and there are certainly a lot worse things I could be doing. As for the poseurs, they've been there since day-one and while they may serve as light entertainment for their habits and their ostentatious displays of equipment and machismo, the bottom line is that as long as they're not holding everyone up, I really don't mind them being there. (The same thing is true for "Blue Tee guy"). Mulligan Guy drives me crazy but in a different way. If someone rinses a shot or sends it deep into the woods and they declare their "Mulligan", I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with are the people who hit a poor shot and then have to hit another one to demonstrate (to whom?) that really knew how to hit the shot after all. Who really cares? Some things I think should have been mentioned are: People who don't fix ballmarks (My personal #1 pet peeve) "Carts only" policies. Foursomes in two drive carts who have to all "visit" each player's shot instead of going to their individual balls. People who take in excess of 7 or 8 shots to get to a green and then begin plumb bobbing putts (first cousin to "Mr. This Putt is for the Masters Win Guy"). People who leave their carts at the bottom (front) of the green directly opposite the exit point, (who then have to walk all the way across the green to get it while everyone in the fairway is waiting to hit). There are many more things that people do that get under people's skin, but these are my main complaints. As for "The Magician"; the "The way too quick to declare a golf ball lost guy"; and "Mr. Temper tantrum", they don't bother me. In fact, the first two actually tend to speed things up and no one sticks around to actually listen to anyone's tantrum, so it's all good. The real gem in this article is, "The guy who searches for his ball as if it’s made of gold". These folks really drive everyone nuts. It's a golf ball for cryin' out loud and judging by the way most of these folks swing a club, it's hardly the first one they've ever lost. My advice to them is to either chill out and accept the fact that this happens or stop buying Pro V1's. Good article! -JP Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 04:59 PM	#5
BV6lwvXf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	Another one that I have learned about over the year of THP is "Swing Change Guy". You hear all about how great they are on internet forums and then you get a chance to play with them and they are "going through a swing change". This player seems to pop up a lot with our invites. I love playing with every single person that comes to our area though, so it evens out. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:06 PM	#6
grosqueneen Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	Another one that I have learned about over the year of THP is "Swing Change Guy". You hear all about how great they are on internet forums and then you get a chance to play with them and they are "going through a swing change". This player seems to pop up a lot with our invites. I love playing with every single person that comes to our area though, so it evens out. Are you suggesting that there are people who DON'T hit 300 tee shots? Say it ain't so! -JP Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:12 PM	#7
griddle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 465 Senior Member	I know there is at least one person that doesn’t hit it 300. Me. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:29 PM	#8
Sydneyfonzi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 652 Senior Member	I wonder if it's possible to use all of the typical excuses during a round with said members? Like "I'm changing my swing because I got new clubs I'm not used to yet while wearing clothes that make me uncomfy but I'm still tired from my flight and I'm just nervous to be playing with JB." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:31 PM	#9
BV6lwvXf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:45 PM	#10
DeilMikina Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 609 Senior Member	What I do have a problem with are the people who hit a poor shot and then have to hit another one to demonstrate (to whom?) that really knew how to hit the shot after all. Who really cares? I do that when I am playing with just friends. I call them confidence shots. I don't do it for anyone but me. It's nice to know that just because you didn't, it doesn't mean you can't. The article was pretty good. I don't mind slow players either (to an extent). I do like to finish 18 in less than 7 hours though. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:46 PM	#11
BV6lwvXf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	I do that when I am playing with just friends. I call them confidence shots. I don't do it for anyone but me. It's nice to know that just because you didn't, it doesn't mean you can't. The article was pretty good. I don't mind slow players either (to an extent). I do like to finish 18 in less then 7 hours though. I agree with you. If there is nobody waiting, and we are just having fun, I think it helps my game during rounds. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:57 PM	#12
TravelMan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else. Suuuuuuure you do :P lol Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 05:57 PM	#13
rouletteroulette Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	I'm happy to see so much conversation after reading this article. While I know that some of my points do affect pace of play it isnt' quite the same. The reason they are on the list is because in my opinion they're just completely unnecessary, sure a guy who is just beginning is slow, but at least he's not intentionally doing something that he knows just holds up play, especially when there is someone behind him! It comes down to it being very irritating having someone digging in the marsh for ball after ball when I'm behind them. It's a lot to do with respect than anything else. The guy who never fixes a ball mark on the green should have been on that list too, very high on that list in fact!!! Good call, JP!!! Keep the chatter going, this was just my list, who is on your's? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 06:00 PM	#14
grosqueneen Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	I do that when I am playing with just friends. I call them confidence shots. I don't do it for anyone but me. It's nice to know that just because you didn't, it doesn't mean you can't. The article was pretty good. I don't mind slow players either (to an extent). I do like to finish 18 in less than 7 hours though. Hey, we've all done that at some point and a lot of what I say about such things is very tongue in cheek. But I have on occasion been paired up with people who have "validation" issues who seem to have to "prove themselves" constantly and that drives me crazy. I've been playing long enough to know when someone can or can't play and I can tell the difference between a good player having an "off" day and a hacker who has never had an "on" day in their life and when it's the latter who constantly "plays another one", I tend to run out of patience more quickly. But in my world, I honestly don't care what anyone else does or how often they do it just as long as the "Prime Directive" (keeping up with group in front) isn't compromised. -JP Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 06:09 PM	#15
en-druzhba Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	The one guy not mentioned in the article was the "foot dragger". I played behind him Monday at a very nice, well maintained course. He literally ruined several of the greens. It looked like he dug in his soft spikes and then spun around----completely around many of the holes. I stopped the course marshal and showed him. He went looking for the guy but came back later to say they must have finished up because all eighteen greens looked like that. Just stupid! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 06:11 PM	#16
F1grandprix Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else. He's telling the truth, he is fun to golf with... just make sure your shoes are tied tight and be ready to play the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 06:15 PM	#17
BV6lwvXf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	He's telling the truth, he is fun to golf with... just make sure your shoes are tied tight and be ready to play the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life CM knows me well. We do play fast around these parts. we had a foursome play a 4 hour round the other day and I was not having fun. We were the 1st group out and it should have been SOOOO much faster. But that is what happens when you get paired with "ball hunters". Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 06:25 PM	#18
gymnAnemoe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	Not bad TH. Nobody should be nervous about playing with me. Im not good enough to put someone in that situation. I blow up just like everybody else. a 5 is not good enough? You are in the top 2%. Ok, Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 06:25 PM	#19
9uWzBx4l Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 394 Senior Member	Here is my list: Excuse girl/guy - The sun was in my eyes, the wind was against me, should have used whatever club, etc. I can drive the green guy - Just hit the ball - you can't reach the green from the tee and never will Never knows who is away girl - Yes we play ready golf, but you're behind me so hit Walk in my line girl/guy - Golf 101 - First thing you needed to learn Is that my ball girl/guy - If you're not going to mark it - at least look at the number, not just the brand Never touches the flagstick girl/guy - Yes, we take turns taking it out and replacing it Can't replace a divot girl/guy - You dug it up - now put it back Drives into my fairway girl/guy - You're supposed to yield the fairway to the people on that hole - again Golf 101 Glass is half empty girl/guy - You're playing golf for heaven's sake - try to be happy Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-09-2009, 06:28 PM	#20
grosqueneen Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	He's telling the truth, he is fun to golf with... just make sure your shoes are tied tight and be ready to play the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life Oh. He's one of THOSE? Kidding aside, I'm really not into "Speed Golf". I have no problem with moving efficiently throughout a golf course (as a walker,I generally do just that out of necessity), nor do I have a problem with a brisk pace of play. But, I'm there to relax and enjoy the round and the surroundings as well, so setting some kind of speed record is the last thing on my mind. "Ready Golf" and the Prime Directive are fine and I wish more people would pay attention to those things. But "the fastest 18 you've ever played in your life" is not high on my list of priorities. That said, the best round I ever played in my life was accomplished as a twosome and in less than 3 hours on a completely empty golf course, but that just happened on its own and we weren't "trying" to do anything other than play a good round. So if playing normally happens to result in a fast time, that's OK. But deliberately playing fast is something altogether different. -JP Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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