[SimSlim]

I'm interested what's the source for this - I don't see it in Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, etc? Is it in Imam Malik's Muwatta? Non-Sunnis such as Shi'as and the Ibadis of Oman also pray like this.

[elalmhicabalp]

I'm interested what's the source for this - I don't see it in Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, etc? Is it in Imam Malik's Muwatta? Non-Sunnis such as Shi'as and the Ibadis of Oman also pray like this.

the maliki usool of fiqh is not the same as that you are assuming. it is not hadith-based but based rather on amaal e medina. this is to say the preference is given to the latter over the former.
the Prophet (PBUH) and his companions (ra) prayed in different ways in different times. there are narrations of sahaba doing rafa yadain and there are narrations in which they havent done that and this may or may not be found it saheeh sitta. there are many other books. then again ahadith which are not saheeh - that is hasan, daeef etc does not mean they are fabricated. it means they can be applied with the usool of the particular school.

so to ask for the 'source' is not correct as the source is a maliki book of usool and not sahih sittah and that is recommended to be learnt with a scholr. also even in other schools the sahih sitta are not counted as books of fiqh but as books of hadith (which they are).

i hope none of the malikis are offended with the comparison with rafidhis.

[vansVoish]

As-salamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

Here is information on why Malikis pray with their hands at their sides:

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/yadain.htm

http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-stud...ides-part-one/



http://www.muwatta.com/ebooks/englis...sin_dutton.pdf



http://www.lamppostproductions.com/f...les/SADL_2.pdf



http://www.lamppostproductions.com/f...les/SADL_2.pdf

[ZIDouglas]

I'm interested what's the source for this - I don't see it in Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, etc? Is it in Imam Malik's Muwatta? Non-Sunnis such as Shi'as and the Ibadis of Oman also pray like this.

The source is that it was the way of the Salafi people of Madinah, which was a city free from sects and misguided groups where many of the Sahaba, their children, their grandchildren and their great grand children dwelt to the time of Imam Malik (ra).

The transmission of this way amongst the people of Madinah is like a mutawwatir thing - something translated from many to many.

The Sahih Hadiths that translate the holding of the hands on the front actually effectively transmit through fewer chains of people and they are chains that go over a longer period of time than the Amal of Madinah did to Malik (i.e. the Amal was more like a the equivalent of a muttawatir hadith that was recorded during the time of the Tabi Tabieen).

However, Prophet Muhammad (saws) did both at different times so both are right.

As I understand it sadl is the stronger opinion amongst the Malikis.

Personally I do qabd because various of various influences ranging from the from the writings of a particular African Tijani Sheikh who I used to like reading, to that being the way that the Malikis in UAE generally pray and also because I often pray in Mosques where most people are Hanafis or Salafis and I don't want to give anyone the impression that I am a Twelver Shiite heretic.

non-Maliki's sometimes make this an issue due to their ignorance of the Maliki school, but they should rest assured that sadl it is part of the Sunnah just as qabd is and that it is encouraged in the Maliki Madhab.

you may find this interesting http://www.muwatta.com/ebooks/english/qabd_and_sadl.pdf

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkddE5c12AY

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZdR9...feature=relmfu

[yharmon6614]

you may find Aisha Bewley's articles on the Amal of Madinah interesting.


The 'Amal of Madina

by

Aisha Bewley

You probably have heard the term, "the 'amal of the people of Madina" and wondered what it means and what all the fuss is about. What is 'amal or action? What does it mean and where does it come from? What does it have to do with us? This topic is one which is fraught with misunderstanding because most people have no idea what it means, and this difficulty in grasping the concept of 'amal is a result from what has happened to the Muslims, because of the development and imposition of a statist methodology and mentality onto Muslim learning - a process which really began to solidify from the time of the Abbasid khalifate in Baghdad, about 250 hijra, a process which has been largely covered up or ignored, a process which has left the Muslims paralysed and unable to deal realistically or authentically with the situation in which they find themselves today. ...

We have to ask ourselves: what is the basis of a Muslim's behaviour? What sources must we turn to in order to know how to conduct our lives? What is the guideline for our behaviour? The answer is simple: the Qur'an and Sunna. We have little trouble with Qur'an.. But then we come to the real crux of the problem I have mentioned: if we are to follow the Sunna, just what is the Sunna and how do we find it? This is the core question which must be answered because, in fact, what the Sunna does is to explain the Qur'an in terms of behaviour. It is the way in which the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, behaved, and it shows us how the guidance of the Qur'an is transformed into actual behaviour to which we can aspire.

To unravel the answer to what the Sunna is, we need to understand two additional terms: hadith and 'amal.
What is hadith? A hadith is a verbal transmission from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. It is a report of what he said or did which is transmitted from person to person by a known chain of transmission. Many people have come to regard the corpus of hadith as being the same as the Sunna, and indeed people sometimes openly state this. For example, "The Prime Sources of the religion of Islam are the Qur'an and the Hadith." (Shari'ah: The Islamic Law, 'Abdu'r-Rahman I. Doi) or "All the articles of faith ... are based on and derived from the teachings of the Qur'an and the Traditions of Muhammad." (Islam in Focus, Hammudah Abdalati) There is a muddling here of the two terms which will become clear. We are often given a picture of the Muslims suddenly falling into a state of panic about losing the Sunna and frantically attempting to authenticate it and write it down before it was swept away. But what was written down were the hadiths, and so there is a hadith = sunna assumption. ... this hadith-based view is obviously a rather anachronistic view of the early period. People were doing the prayer, performing hajj, doing wudu', collecting zakat, carrying on their lives as Muslims in Madina as they had done from the time of the Prophet right up to Malik and beyond. Any conflict would only arise if someone came with something new, and then it would have to be compared with the existing practice. They did not reach for a volume of hadith. They were not a bookish people. Transmission was immediate and direct. What did people do?

Or, as Malik said, "If you want knowledge, then take up residence, i.e. in Madina. The Qur'an was not revealed on the Euphrates," i.e. in Iraq. In Iraq, however, there were few Companions, and Iraq was new to Islam. To find out what was correct, people would have to go to a Companion and ask, and then they would get one opinion of one person, be it in the form of an opinion, a fatwa, or a hadith. Furthermore, it was in this environment, in Iraq, that forgery of hadith took place and the whole science of hadith, its texts, its men, etc. developed in order to ascertain the authenticity of the hadith.

As Ibn Taymiyya said, "There were no people of a city who lied more than the people of Kufa." It is also well-known that Malik and the people of Madina did not normally accept the hadith of the people of Iraq because there were so many liars there and the Iraqis did not distinguish between the those who were truthful and the liars. There is a dangerous assumption which underlies this picture of Muslims trying to preserve the Sunna by writing down the hadiths, and that is the assumption that hadith is synonymous with Sunna. This was not, and is not the case: HADITH IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH SUNNA. You cannot pick up the collections of hadith, read them, and then uncover the Sunna from them. So hadith is not synonymous with Sunna. You will not be able to have direct access to the Sunna via hadiths. Indeed, in the time of the Prophet, the Messenger of Allah had forbidden them to write down other than the Qur'an from him. He told them to wipe out all that they had written, and then he later permitted it. But there is an indication of the desire to avoid elevating hadiths to the level of the Qur'an. This leaves us with 'amal. 'Amal literally means "action" and refers to the agreed-upon practice of the people of Madina. So 'amal includes the sunna of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and also the ijtihad, or individual judgement, of later authorities, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab in particular. The Sunna is the practice of the Prophet and so all sunna is 'amal, but not all 'amal is sunna.

'Amal is an integral part of the sunna. The sunna is not, as we said, synonymous with hadith because hadiths, while agreed to be completely authentic and sound, both in text and isnad, were not necessarily acted upon in the early period in Madina, and thus were not part of the sunna.

The 'amal is the normative practice of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, or that of the first four khalifs, the Companions and their Successors, the Tabi'un, and the generation after them, the Tabi'u't-Tabi'in.

Zayd ibn Thabit, the famous Companion, stated, "When you see the people of Madina doing something, know that it is the sunna." This clearly refers to the 'amal, to "doing", and not to a verbal transmission. Thus sunna and amal are, in fact, closer to being synonyms than hadith and sunna, and you often find them being used as such: "The sunna of the Rightly-guided khalifs," for instance. The position of hadith has become rather entrenched and rigidified today. There is, however, a very serious problem is taking hadiths as your basis for behaviour. That is that in order to use the hadiths, you need to have fiqh or understanding.

Ibn Wahb said, "Anyone who knows a hadith but does not have an imam in fiqh is astray (dâll)," and Ibn 'Uyayna said, "Hadiths are a source of misguidance except for the fuqaha'." You must have criteria for deciding what hadith mean, which ones are abrogated, which ones you must act by and which ones you must leave.

The criterion of Madina was the 'amal. If a hadith conflicted with the 'amal, the hadith was ignored.

In fact, the hadith in question might well have been superseded, referred to a particular situation, etc. etc. In fact, if you think about the things which you recount to someone, you do tend to recount the unusual rather than the mundane and everyday. And, in any case as regards transmission of hadith,

as Ibn Taymiyya categorically states, "The people of Madina were the soundest of the people of the cities in both transmission and opinion. Their hadith is the soundest of hadiths. The people of knowledge of hadith agree that the soundest of hadiths are the hadiths of the people of Madina and then the hadiths of the people of Basra." Furthermore, the actual hadith transmissions of Malik were considered to be the most trustworthy of any. Al-Bukhari said that the isnad, "Malik from Nafi' from Ibn 'Umar", is "the golden chain of authority". Whenever Bukhari has a hadith from Malik in any section of his Sahih, it is Malik's transmission which he puts first.
Regarding the position of 'amal vis-`a-vis hadith in Madina, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab stated on the minbar, "By Allah Almighty I will make it difficult for a man who relates a hadith different from it (the 'amal)." Ibn al-Qasim and Ibn Wahb said, "I saw that in Malik's opinion, action ('amal) was stronger than the hadith."

Malik said, "The men from the people of knowledge among the Followers conveyed hadiths which had been conveyed to them from others and they said, 'We are not ignorant of this, but the past action is other than it.'"

Malik said, "I saw Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr ibn 'Amr ibn Hazm who was a qadi. His brother was 'Abdullah, a truthful man who had a lot of hadiths. When Muhammad gave a judgement in which a hadith had come contrary to the judgement, I heard 'Abdullah criticise him, saying, 'Hasn't this and this come in this hadith?' He said, 'Yes.' His brother said to him, 'Then what is wrong with you? Why don't you give judgement by it?' He said, 'Where are the people in respect to it?' i.e. what is the consensus of action in Madina? He meant that the action is stronger than the hadith in it."

Ibn Mahdi said, "The established sunna from the sunna of the people of Madina is better than the hadith." This clearly shows the difference between Sunna and hadith. (Ibn Mahdi died in 186 AH and was one of the greatest hadith scholars of his time in Madina.) He added, "It may be that I have a hadith on a subject and then I find that the people of the courtyard have something different than that. Therefore it becomes weak in my estimation." And there is the famous statement of Rabi'a, "I prefer a thousand from a thousand over one from one because one from one can strip the Sunna out of your hands." This is precisely what has happened. Why is this the case? Malik said, "About so many thousand Companions came with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, from a certain expedition at such-and-such a time. About 10,000 of them died in Madina, and the rest split up in the cities. Which would you prefer to follow and whose words would you prefer to take? Those in whose presence the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, died with his Companions I mentioned, or the one who died with one or two of the Companions of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace."

There are four possibilities which can arise in the area of 'amal versus hadith, :


1. The 'amal is in agreement with the hadith, and so the 'amal supports the validity of the hadith.


2. The 'amal is in accord with one hadith, but is contradicted by another hadith. The existence of the 'amal makes the first hadith the one preferred.


3. The 'amal contradicts all the hadiths. If the 'amal is from the time of the Prophet, it is preferred because this category of 'amal is definitively authoritative and has a multiple transmission (mutawatir) whereas the other hadiths, being single transmissions, one from one, are merely probable. If the 'amal is based on ijtihad, then there is some disagreement about this.


4. There is hadith but no 'amal. Then the hadith is followed, and there is some disagreement about this.


Now, we must ask, why is the 'amal here preferred over the hadith? Hadiths are divided into two types: mutawatir hadiths which derive from a large number of Companions, and single hadiths which go back to a single Companion. 'Amal is mutawatir, in that it comes from a large number of Companions, and it represents the consensus of the bulk of the Companions, who were in Madina, and their agreed-upon practice. The multiple transmission dominates the single one, the one from a single Companion, and thus 'amal predominates. A clear picture of why the 'amal is preferred is given by Ibn Qutayba (d. 276/889):

"In our opinion the truth is more likely to be established by ijma' than by the transmissions of hadith. Hadith may be subject to forgetfulness, error, uncertainties, different possible interpretations and abrogation; someone trustworthy may transmit from someone who is not; there may be two different commands, both of which are possible, such as making either one or two taslims [at the end of the prayer.] Similarly, a man may have been present when the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, gave a certain command and then been absent when he told people to do something different. He will then transmit the first command and not the second because he does not know it. Ijma', however, is free from such vicissitudes."


Thus in Madina at the time of Malik, there was a transmission of one generation to another generation and this took place in the city of the Prophet, where the people were following the pattern of behaviour which he had demonstrated. It is not possible that a whole generation would stop doing something and then do something new without something extraordinary happening. In the time of the Prophet, it would have been a direct command. Short of that, there would be no reason for it to change. This is clearly seen are things like the measures of the sa' and the mudd and taking Zakat al-Fitr using them, the form of the adhan and the iqama, not saying the basmala aloud in the aloud in the prayer, allowing the waqf, etc. These were followed by all in Madina and their practice went back to the Prophet and his Companions. Malik refers to it as "an inheritance which was bequeathed from generation to generation up until our time."

This seems such a logical position to take that we must look at what happened historically to alter this position because such a radical shift of position really is quite extraordinary, [and Ibn Taymiyya is my main source for this].

The school of Madina was the soundest of the schools of all the other cities because they were the strongest in following the Messenger and they had the firmest and fullest connection to what he left. You do not find madhhabs at this point. Madhhabs developed later. There were no Malikis, not Hanafis, no Shafi'is. At this point, if you qualified yourself, you were declaring yourself a member of sect - a Jahmi, a Mu'tazili, a Murji'i, or whatever.

Because of the strong connection which the Madinans had to the legacy of the Prophet, Ibn Taymiyya says, "This is why none of the Muslim scholars believed that the consensus of any of the cities except Madina was a proof which must be followed - not in those times nor after them." He points out that no innovation emerged from Madina, while there were innovations in every other city, and that the appearance of innovations was commensurate with the distance from Madina. This is a very important statement: there were NO innovations in Madina, and the further you go from Madina, the greater the number and scope of innovations.

...
Ibn Taymiyya says, "Now the action of the people of Madina was either a sunna from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, himself or they referred to the judgements of 'Umar ibn al-Khattab. It is said that Malik took the bulk of the Muwatta' from Rabi'a, and Rabi'a from Sa'id ibn al-Musayyab, and Sa'id ibn al-Musayyab from 'Umar, and 'Umar related it. Of 'Umar's weight, at-Tirmidhi has that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'If I had not been sent among you, then 'Umar would have been sent among you.'" In the two Sahih collections (al-Bukhari and Muslim), the Prophet said, 'In the nations before you there were men who were inspired. If there is such a one among my community, it is 'Umar.' In the Sunan, the Prophet said, 'Follow those who come after me: Abu Bakr and 'Umar.'

'Umar used to consult the great Companions, like 'Uthman, 'Ali, Talha, az-Zubayr, Sa'd, and 'Abdu'r-Rahman. They were the people of consultation (shura). This is why ash-Sha'bi said, "Look at the judgements that 'Umar made. He used to consult." It is known that that on which 'Umar gave judgement or fatwa and on which he consulted them is more predominant than the judgement or fatwa of Ibn Mas'ud or his like, may Allah be pleased with all of them.

"In questions of the deen, both in respect of the fundamental principles and the branches, 'Umar used to follow the judgement of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and he used to consult 'Ali and others of the people of consultation."

"At this time and after it, all the Muslim cities followed the people of Madina. Ibn Mas'ud was the most knowledgeable of the Companions in Iraq at the time when the Fitna took place. He used to return to Madina to ask about judgements that he had made in Iraq and if he found that the practice in Madina was different, he would retract the judgement he had made.
...

The practice of following the 'amal was still strong under the Umayyad khalif, 'Umar ibn 'Abdu'l-'Aziz. He gathered the fuqaha' together and asked about the sunan and the judgements which were acted upon, and confirmed them. Those among them were not acted upon by the people, he threw out, even if they came from a reliable source.
The business is summarised in the letter of Imam Malik ibn Anas to al-Layth ibn Sa'd:


"It has reached me that you give fatwas to the people concerning things which are contrary to what is done by our community of people and in our city. You are the Imam and you have excellence and position with the people of your city, and they need you and rely on what comes from you. Therefore you ought to fear for yourself and follow that whose pursuit you hope will bring you rescue. Allah Almighty says in His Mighty Book, 'The outstrippers, the first of the Muhajirun and the Ansar.' Allah Almighty says, 'Give good news to My slaves who listen to the word and the follow the best of it.' People follow the people of Madina, and the hijra was made to it and the Qur'an was sent down in it, and the halal was made halal and the haram was made haram there since the Messenger of Allah was living among them and they were present at the revelation itself. He commanded them and they obeyed him. He made sunna for them and they followed him until Allah made him die and chose for him what is with Him, may the blessings of Allah and His mercy and blessing be upon him.


"Then after him, the people followed those from among his community who were given authority after him. Whenever something happened that they had knowledge about, they carried it out. What they did not have knowledge of, they asked about, and then took the strongest of what they found regarding that by their ijtihad and the recentness of their contract (with the Prophet). If someone disagreed with them or said something else which was stronger than it and better, they left the first statement and acted on this other one.


"Then the Tabi'un after them followed this path and they followed those sunan. Since the business in Madina was open and acted upon, I do not think that anyone should oppose it because of what the Madinans possess of that inheritance which none is allowed to plagiarise or lay claim to.


"If the people of the other cities had begun to say, 'This is the action which is in our city and this is what happened in it from those before us,' they would not be certain about that and they would not have that which allows them that."

So this was the position of the people of knowledge right through to the Abbasids, a position now marginalised in the Muslim world and replaced by a new methodology, Iraqi in origin, which, as Rabi'a, said, "Strips the Sunna out of your hands." If you think about it, it is an extraordinary shift of position. As Ibn Taymiyya concludes, "The Deen of Islam is that the sword follows the Book. When knowledge of the Book and Sunna has the upper hand, and the sword follows that, then the business of Islam is established. The people of Madina are the most entitled of the cities to the like of that. As for the time of the Rightly-guided Khalifs, the business was like that. After them, some of them had more of it than others. When knowledge of the Book is insufficient and the sword sometimes agrees with the Book and sometimes opposes it, then where is the deen in that? Whoever is guided to these matters and their like, it is clear to him that the bases of the people of Madina is incomparably sounder that the bases of any of the people of the earth. "

To conclude, thus 'amal consists of the parameters of action in Madina which were used to judge the hadith and to preserve the Sunna. As 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar said, "When a sedition occurs, if people would only refer the business to the people of Madina, and if they agree on something, do it, then the business would be put right. But when a dog barks, the people follow it."


http://bewley.virtualave.net/amalmadina.html

[Duaceanceksm]

Note : not all malikis leave hands aside in prayer rather the placing of the hands on belly is equally popular if not the dominant view.

[adariseediups]

Note : not all malikis leave hands aside in prayer rather the placing of the hands on belly is equally popular if not the dominant view.

I think the way it may be brother is that it (qabd) has become very common amongst the Maliki laymen, but is not the stronger view according to the Maliki scholars.