[HwoRas1]

Whatever dude, King Abdalla AND the police are on her side. Who cares about anyone else including you.


BTW get better acquainted with the country you're living in.

LOL, if King Abdullah and the police are on your side... you know you're on the wrong one.

She should be on the side of the Sharia, in which case, after someone enjoined upon her good and forbade her from evil, she should have listened instead of talking about rights which are NOT given to her in the Sharia.

[dremucha]

Who appointed the Mutaween as the Watchmen of the Sharia? And who will watch the Watchmen? How do we make sure power is never abused especially if it is power masquerading as serving the Will of God?

Hmmmmmmmmm

[etdgxcnc]

All I see in this video AND in this thread are people shouting at each other for no reason over nail polish.

Allah help us. We need it when nail polish now causes fitnah.

[Hammaduersnes]

The liberation of women through Liberalism and a liberalist approach!

I shudder to think what will be the state of Sa'oodia in a decade’s time!

[hereiamguy]

Um, last time I checked, wearing makeup and lipstick can attract the opposite sex and lead to fitna and goes against islam. Its not whether its permissable according to saudi monarchy law but according to islamic sharia. Women in islam are adviced to conceal their adornments and save it for their husbands in the privacy of their own homes.

{And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof}[Quran 24:31]

Anyway, this report just goes through one ear out the other, another media piece added to the 100s that are out there to suggest that islam is oppressive to women, stipulates her rights blah blah blah and the fact that we have differing views adds the icing to their cake. I.e It creates the notion that islam, rather than being a very simple religion that safeguards and upholds the dignity and honour of women, is one that does the opposite effect and causes confusion and controversy.

I suggest all muslim women who immediately jump on the satanic bandwagon of "freedom" and "equal rights" to read the seerah of the ummal momeen and keep quiet! I applause the man who had the decency to inform her that she is enticing every man in the shopping centre, a few tears shed here will save her from a bucketful of tears for all of eternity in the akhira!

aoa,
thumbs up

[CamVideoQl]

All I see in this video AND in this thread are people shouting at each other for no reason over nail polish.

Allah help us. We need it when nail polish now causes fitnah.

May Allah s.w.t protect some of our weak Muslim brothers from such a fitnah...ameen

[cjOTw7ov]

It is sad that people have now found religion as another means to satisfy their egos and to belittle others. If you want to truly devoted to the One then be humble and do not be ostentatious - do not be showy with your religion like a fashion label, practice it and let it flow but do not trap it within futile words and ugly rhetoric. So fixated we have become by what other people think about us or how we are seen by other people, whether we inspire fear or respect that we forget that in the end faith is all about reconciling yourself with the One - to remember Him. Faith should not be about impressing others, or showing how ''deeny'' you are by publicly and rudely pointing out things about another human being - if you want to act then act with compassion not with self-righteous arrogance.

All this ugly talk of utter condemnation over something as trivial as wearing nail polish shows how small our hearts have become and how our egos and fixation with legal formality has clouded our moral vision. We have become arrogant - thinking that we alone have pure unadulterated access to not only decipher God's Will but also to forcefully implement it. This is truly sad - truly we should not yield to moral relativism and be weary of its effects on society, but to forcefully impose your opinion on another human being and on top of that passing it of as the ''Will of God'' is truly shocking. I would love to see how many brothers and sisters who praised the so called ''righteousness'' of the Mutaween would be willing to practise this form of grotesque morality in their own lives?

People are inspired by action and good countenance, by a warm smile and an open heart, by an attentive ear and beautiful patience - not by ugly words, raised voices, haughty expression or autocratic zealots who think they own God like personal property.

everything starts small...if we'd apply your ideas then there would be no advising anyone, the mutaween are there for a purpose, they are only doing their job, we are no saints but whats shariah is shariah and please ksa calls itself an Islamic country, i hope you get the point brother, we are no bigots, we live in the same world as you do

[jessyhalm]

I could not agree more, we seem to have reduced Islam to a religion of harsh control and dictatorial control...my way or no way etc.

It is sad that people have now found religion as another means to satisfy their egos and to belittle others. If you want to truly devoted to the One then be humble and do not be ostentatious - do not be showy with your religion like a fashion label, practice it and let it flow but do not trap it within futile words and ugly rhetoric. So fixated we have become by what other people think about us or how we are seen by other people, whether we inspire fear or respect that we forget that in the end faith is all about reconciling yourself with the One - to remember Him. Faith should not be about impressing others, or showing how ''deeny'' you are by publicly and rudely pointing out things about another human being - if you want to act then act with compassion not with self-righteous arrogance.

All this ugly talk of utter condemnation over something as trivial as wearing nail polish shows how small our hearts have become and how our egos and fixation with legal formality has clouded our moral vision. We have become arrogant - thinking that we alone have pure unadulterated access to not only decipher God's Will but also to forcefully implement it. This is truly sad - truly we should not yield to moral relativism and be weary of its effects on society, but to forcefully impose your opinion on another human being and on top of that passing it of as the ''Will of God'' is truly shocking. I would love to see how many brothers and sisters who praised the so called ''righteousness'' of the Mutaween would be willing to practise this form of grotesque morality in their own lives?

People are inspired by action and good countenance, by a warm smile and an open heart, by an attentive ear and beautiful patience - not by ugly words, raised voices, haughty expression or autocratic zealots who think they own God like personal property.

[cjOTw7ov]

I could not agree more, we seem to have reduced Islam to a religion of harsh control and dictatorial control...my way or no way etc.

a random guy on the street didn't stop her bro, it was the mutaween...

The mutaween (Arabic: المطوعين‎)[1] are the government-authorized or government-recognized religious police (or clerical police) of Saudi Arabia. They are also religious-policing organizations in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and the former Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan with at least some government recognition or deference which enforce varied interpretations of Sharia law.

please i hope you understand

[jessyhalm]

Bro, I understand, but they are human and they make mistakes. They are probably not well trained. The police should use wisdom not always harshness, a few years ago a religious policeman in Saudi stopped some young girls from fleeing a burning building because they were not covered. These people died in the fire. This is how stupid some police are.

a random guy on the street didn't stop her bro, it was the mutaween...

The mutaween (Arabic: المطوعين‎)[1] are the government-authorized or government-recognized religious police (or clerical police) of Saudi Arabia. They are also religious-policing organizations in Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and the former Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan with at least some government recognition or deference which enforce varied interpretations of Sharia law.

please i hope you understand

[jincomplet]

They should have smacked her right away shutting her big mouth. If only the whip of Sayyiduna Umar was here today.

[JeremyBalll]

People have to read more about how things were during the Khulafa ur Rashideen. I think if Umar Al Farooq (ra) were to see such a behavior, lashing is imminent. I still don't understand why people are trying to support something haraam as nail polish and showing awrah in public. I m wondering if are are so defiant and liberal will we give bayah to the return of khilafat for Shariah to be properly implemented?

Edit:

They should have smacked her right away shutting her big mouth. If only the whip of Sayyiduna Umar was here today.

You beat me to it bro. I m afraid we all would have got lashed for us being lax in deen publicly.

[petrarkaponye]

Lashing and beating won't bring them back to Islam, but will have them rebel more.

There is a lot of hypocrisy within the system and as someone said it will have it's effects on the people.

[hereiamguy]

seems everyone is dishing away their own opinions on what might work or may not work.
solution: look at what the first three generations of islam did.

[Anatolii]

Lol! Some ppl are crazy crazy crazy....

[Anatolii]

History is all a matter of interpretation - there isn't really a definitive narrative about the first three generations of Islam. We should accept our human reason is fallible and that we can never be in possession of an infallible articulation of God's Will - interpreting God's Will is a difficult process - there will nearly always be a difference of opinion - this difference of opinion should be respected. What we need is a calm debate without calling the other party misguided or even worse having ''left Islam'' which is a very sad ''tactic'' used by some brothers and sisters who lose sight of the ethics of public discussion because they are so obsessed with being right and having the satisfaction of being in possession of ultimate religious truth so much so that it feeds their ego. In a cruel twist of irony, the very narrative of faith they turned to in order to fight their ego has only fuelled it through subtle manipulation...

History is all a matter of interpretation - there isn't really a definitive narrative about the first three generations of Islam...

But there is alot narrated about at least the first generation of islaam and i think we should take guidance from there. We know what the sahaaba/sahaabiya (R.A) did and how they behaved. Also the shariah is clear and its not difficult to discern right from wrong, good from bad and kufr from sunnah.

[CamVideoQl]

munawirr el forum biwujuudak

[jessyhalm]

They should have smacked her right away shutting her big mouth. If only the whip of Sayyiduna Umar was here today.

The Sahaba, Allah be pleased with them, were the best Muslims, they practised the whole deen in total, today we Muslims who are harsh in matters of dress, especially of women yet when it comes to other matters of equal or more importance (like riba) we are liberal, or turn a blind eye. This is not the deen of Islam are practised by the Sahaba.

[bellson]

First and foremost I praise Allah Ta’ala who has blessed us with Imaan and has in His Grace promulgated for us a perfect Shariah. A Shariah which Allah Azza Wa Jal attests to be perfect. He Subhanahu wa ta’ala states,

5:3 - “…….This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…….”

It is a common mantra of modernist revision that there is not a definitive interpretation of the first three generations of Islam. This is nothing new. The Orientalists who devoted themselves to this insidious task devised many and wonderful ways of trying to achieve this. They state that the history is fluid, the interpretation is varied and most of all it is bound by context. The aim is to limit the Shariah, that has reached us through a flawless chain, in order to convince the Muslims that the Divine fetters of the Shariah can be discarded.
Let it be known that we have a definitive historical record of the first three generations of Islam. A historical record that is to this day unsurpassed in historical narrative and veracity. It falls upon the detractors to state their proof as to the supposed weakness of the narrative.

Our noble Rasulullah has categorically stated that the best generation is his generation, then the one after that and then the one after that. Imam Maalik rahmatullahu alayh has stated that the last portion of this Ummah will not achieve success except through what the first portion of this Ummah achieved success from.

The Fuqahaa, Muhadditheen, Mufassireen, and the historians of Islam have all preserved the history of our Deen perfectly. This is only natural as Allah Ta’ala has taken it upon Himself to protect His Deen.

9:32 – “Fain would they extinguish Allah.s light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).”

Islam is not subject to the same revisionism that has plagued Judaism and Christianity. It is not open to any Tom, **** or Harry interpreting at will.

4:115 – “If anyone contends with the Messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than thatof the believers (i.e. the Sahaabah), We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell,- what an evil refuge!”

Amr bil ma’roof nahy anil munkar is an integral component of this Deen. When the Ummah omits this fasaad, fisq, fujoor and fitnah plague this Ummah. Allah Ta’ala states,

“Aal Imraan 104 – “Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong: they are the ones to attain felicity.”

Rasulullah has said,

“…People who do not change something wrong when they see it are on the verge of a sweeping punishment from Allah” (Reported by Ibn Majah).

The idea that interpreting Allah’s will is very dangerous and that one should be extremely careful is a laudable one if the intention behind it is correct. If the intention is to be vigilant in order for the Deen to be preserved then alhumdulillah. If it is to stop people from enforcing the Shariah as per the dictates of Allah then it is evil.

The Islamic State revolves around the Ahkaam of Allah Ta’ala being implemented.

5:44 “……Whoever does not judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are Unbelievers.”

It is the incumbent duty of the Islamic state to enforce the hukm of Allah. To abolish usury, to implement the hudud, to implement the salah and to ensure that all aspects of the Shariah are being implemented.

We are duty bound to interpret the Shariah within the confines of the first three generations of Islam. How then will the hukm be implemented? Islam is not Christianity. It judges on the exterior and judgement is pronounced. To those who state that interpretation is not bound to the first three generations then bring your proof from the Shariah stating otherwise. Do not give your opinion.

4:65 “But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.”

45:18 Then We put thee on the (right) Way of Religion (Sharee’ah): so follow thou that (Way), and follow not the desires of those who know not.

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.

[etdgxcnc]

I suggest all muslim women who immediately jump on the satanic bandwagon of "freedom" and "equal rights" to read the seerah of the ummal momeen and keep quiet! I applause the man who had the decency to inform her that she is enticing every man in the shopping centre, a few tears shed here will save her from a bucketful of tears for all of eternity in the akhira!

This almost seems like a joke. Like an Atheist pretending to be a Muslim typed this.

Islam is in no way, shape, or form against freedom and equal rights. Men and women are to act different and have different roles, but both genders are equal. And Islam hates oppression and commands us to fight against it.

I can't believe anyone is agreeing with this. Every Muslim should weep for this ummah.