[PilotVertolet]

Then how can integration exist?
Surely, you must agree with me that today we live in a multicultural society in Europe and America. 52 million Muslims are living in Europe. A key factor to successful integration is to accept the culture. Now if culture is haram, and thou may not celebrate any holidays or accept anything from any culture, how can that lead to successful integration from the Muslim population?
By dismissing the culture in that country, you are also distancing yourself from the native people and creating gaps which harms the society.

[wasssallx]

Where did you get the impression culture is Haram? Culture, from my underdtanding, is celebrated, and is a sign of Allah SWT. Only concerns are elements of culture which contravine the Shariah.

[Illisezek]

Indeed what Sidi Nasr mentioned is the case. There are many examles of the noble prophet, Muhammad Sallallah `Alayh wa Sallam accomodating culture as long as it does not contradict the divinely revealed principles. If it does, then we should drop it without a doubt since we don't live for this world, we live for the Akhirah. These meanings should not be limited to the flapping of tongues, these should be the states of our heart! Was-Salam

[bpejjssoe]

I don't think true integration can really exist. You just have to hope that people would respect your views. Muslims can only integrate by interacting with their society, instead of labeling of the Kuffar as evil people. You shouldn't turn to anjem choudary, but you should still be a good Musilm when it comes to abstaining from alcohol, fornication etc.

[tropicana]

Then how can integration exist?
Surely, you must agree with me that today we live in a multicultural society in Europe and America. 52 million Muslims are living in Europe. A key factor to successful integration is to accept the culture. Now if culture is haram, and thou may not celebrate any holidays or accept anything from any culture, how can that lead to successful integration from the Muslim population?
By dismissing the culture in that country, you are also distancing yourself from the native people and creating gaps which harms the society.

As-Salam 'Aliekum,

What is it that you mean by culture? Islam doesn't frown upon culture nor does it endorse any particular one - that is why Islam was able to spread so quick and so fast around the world as a faith because it firmly entrenched itself into the hearts of people without having to destroy their culture and replacing it with something else.

As for integration this is a word that has no meaning, when we hear people taking about integration they never tell you what we Muslims need to integrate with do they? Muslim have lived in Europe for a long time we didn't arrive here yesterday! Muslims have been in Europe since the end of the War (+50 year) why didn't they ask people then to integrate? Because they didn't care, they wanted the Pakistanis, the Algerians and the Turks to rebuild Europe just as their forefathers destroyed it and now the sons of those same people are being asked to integrate - nobody told us about this when we were growing up!

The fact of the matter is that there are insular communities all around Europe, go and see the Jewish enclaves in London or the Asian ones in the North of England - nobody is asking the Jews to integrate are they (well they wouldn't having killed 6 million of them) - but Muslims have to integrate, with what I ask, with what?!

As for celebrating holidays, so what if you don't celebrate holidays there are non-Muslims who do not celebrate national holidays and remembrance days nobody says anything about that, but when we don't there is something suspicious about it right? They are asking us to be more patriotic and culturally assimilated then other people is that fair? Shouldn't they ask the Jews to integrate, the Afro-Caribbeans, the Romani Gypsies? Why is it always Muslims who need to do something, probably because there are Muslims blowing stuff up right? Well if that is the case then there is nothing you can do about the prejudice in other peoples hearts I'm afraid, no matter what you do you will never be integrated, you will always be an outsider.

Wa Salam Allah 'Aliek.

[marketheal]

Then how can integration exist?
Surely, you must agree with me that today we live in a multicultural society in Europe and America. 52 million Muslims are living in Europe. A key factor to successful integration is to accept the culture. Now if culture is haram, and thou may not celebrate any holidays or accept anything from any culture, how can that lead to successful integration from the Muslim population?
By dismissing the culture in that country, you are also distancing yourself from the native people and creating gaps which harms the society.

If everyone accepts the culture, it will not be multicultural anymore. How can you seemingly celebrate multiculturalism in the first sentence and then in the final sentence blame those who do not all accept a single "culture in that country"?

(besides the fact that this phrase, "culture in that country", is practically meaningless, undefinable, historically erroneous, and generally used only by xenophobes and bigots to "support" their phobias)

[zilsolley3]

I love my culture !!

[HenriRow]

..How can you seemingly celebrate multiculturalism in the first sentence and then in the final sentence blame those who do not all accept a single "culture in that country"?
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True. It's like trying to say a melting pot is multicultural.

[neerewed]

Islam is a continuous civilizational experience. Read the essay "Islam: A Civilisational Project in Progress by Ahmet Karamustafa to get better understanding of differences between culture, civilization and where Muslims fit.

[vNGiDaFX]

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Islam means submission - submission to the command of Allah ta'ala alone, not to the whims and wishes of the disbelievers (kuffar).

The kuffar want to weaken/dissolve Islam by calling for "integration", in fact they mean assimilation. Assimilation to what? To their whims and desires, to their evil acts/crimes and to their disbelief.

"Culture" is taken into account by Islam to a limited degree, the term you should look for in the books of fiqh is called 'urf. Ask a qualified scholar for the details, but keep in mind the following as a basic guideline:

Those cultural things that are compatible with the divine law (shari'ah) can be kept and those who are not compatible with it must be stopped.

And Allah ta'ala knows best!

Wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

[uC4F0NVL]

Obvious AnswerGerman Chancellor asserted that multiculturalism has failed.
Now when there is some smoke it can only be because of fire.
Hence if she is forced to bring this to public notice there must be some truth to it.
The natural question will be as to why is it so?
Of course the western habit is to blame it on the weak.
So what if I am up the stream and you are down the stream - your mother must have made the water dirty.
The European idea of multiculturalism is that we shall accept you provided you surrender yourself to our culture.
And this is what have been accepting from the immigrants.
But this is not multiculturalism - this is surrender of your identity.
Usually the answer to deepest problems is simplest one and so is the case here.
Just let us take the case of Muslims.
Muslims of Arabia have their own identity.
Muslims of Afghanistan can be clearly recognized from those of Saudia.
Muslims of South India can be clearly differentiated from those of Arabia and Afghanistan.
Muslims of Malaysia too can be recognized if you mix them among the mixture of above groups. And same is true if you take the Chinese Muslims.
And Muslims all over the world will recognize all of the above as true Muslims.
There is complete multiculturalism.
Sooner or later the same will be true about French, Italian and Swiss Muslims.
They shall be Muslims and still recognizable as French, Italian and Swiss respectively.
There is Islam for you and there is multiculturalism.
Is it so difficult to understand?

So if multiculturalism as failed then please ignore the finger that is pointing towards Muslims and take the hint from the direction of the other three fingers.

See Also : RT

[steerryGritly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=862fsKcFs1M

[uC4F0NVL]

[NanoGordeno]

i think the whole multiculturalism in the west is a big facade