[myhackingtosh_ws]

That statement is partly true. Muslims can perform the rituals of Islam peacefully in most places of India but prejudices and hatred exist. I don't know about how things are in Pak so can't compare between the two.

In Pakistan you have all the freedom in the world about Shariat. You can do everything. The problem is Law and Order situation. Daily around 30-35 people are being killed in Karachi alone!

[fluistulkn]

Asalaamualaycum,
My family re from Gujrat but I live in the UK. They have been living quiet peacefully in the part of gujrat they are in. There is no distractions no violence. etc etc

[offinoNem]

I usually tell brothers who ask, that India has more than 300 Million Muslims, which is more than Pakistan & Bangladesh together. Am I correct?

Daily around 30-35 people are being killed in Karachi alone!

Do you have any source for this number? I heard this often but never read about it.

[Knillagrarp]

I usually tell brothers who ask, that India has more than 300 Million Muslims, which is more than Pakistan & Bangladesh together. Am I correct?

Do you have any source for this number? I heard this often but never read about it.

I think that the number is less than that.

[Knillagrarp]

80.5% of the Indians are Hindus, with 13.4% of the population Muslim, making India home to the third-largest Muslim population in the world after Indonesia and Pakistan. India also contains the majority of the world's Zoroastrians, Sikhs, Jains and Bahá'í. Other religious groups include Christians (2.3%), Buddhists (0.8%), Jains (0.4%), and Jews.

WS

[piramirra]

As salam alaikum

In terms of largest Muslim populations, its argued by Chinese Muslims for which I largely agree, that Muslims of China have one of the largest Muslim population over all. Its estimated that their numbers are between 150 and 200 million. The Chinese government suppresses this by rejecting the reality that ethnic Han and Manchu Chinese have converted to Islam or were born as Muslims for generations. Rather, the CCP prefers to only recognize people's ethnicities, thus the majority of Chinese are of Han ethnicity and the CCP ascribe communism and confucianism to them regardless.

That being said, it seems preposterous that Muslims would assume India is a FINE place to be Muslim.
According to my friend from Madras/Kerala, the RSS and Sangh Parivar have orchestrated a nationwide campaign to against Muslims , overtly and covertly. Their strategy is in competitive markets, to pressurize Muslim businesses to relent to Hindu owned businesses, even to abandon prime locations for hindu locations. And they do this in the classic mafia ways of direct threats, or threats against family, or mock violence as a threat. Riots and murders occur in order to pressurize Muslims. And this is a long term systematic campaign- not an open riot. So Muslims are slow and weak to respond, succumbing gradually.

BTW, its been known that Hindus in the Khaleej get their people in key positions and then discriminate to get more of their own into jobs and positions. So a hindu becomes an HR manager in charge of recruiting, and then covertly discriminates to bring in hindus over all others, including locals. If a VP doesn't pay attention, his entire workforce can staffed by hindus.

This is one reasons that Gulf countries have instituted nationalization campaigns to get more locals hired. Hence, UAE and Saudis have both implemented this strategy.

[idertedype]

yes, hindus are the most racist people i have ever met. They discriminate against muslims a lot.

[idertedype]

the brother who mentioned Gujrat. Your part may be peaceful for the time being but you ever wonder what the guys do there for a job apart from wishing to come UK and hoping their uncle's daughter will marry them (they can carry on dreaming coz most of the girls these days are having none of it). They have no opportunities for any decent job. You can forgot about any job in the civil service or railways (see the shocking statistics) or any other job which is secure and linked to the public sector. Discrimination is rife.

[Gorlummm]

surprise, Muslim large population in india. Muslim never can be weaken the reason is most of people are by name muslim. they are follow hindu culture, see they are wedding events and all other stuff. they faraway form Islam. Our Ulima are divided them in differnt Firqha. So they never can be united until they just have to follow Quran and Hadith and act upon.

[SergZHy67]

. So a hindu becomes an HR manager in charge of recruiting, and then covertly discriminates to bring in hindus over all others, including locals. If a VP doesn't pay attention, his entire workforce can staffed by hindus.

This is one reasons that Gulf countries have instituted nationalization campaigns to get more locals hired. Hence, UAE and Saudis have both implemented this strategy.

You made a mistake. When nationalization programs are implemented, they dont target Hindus, they target all, Hindu and Muslim.
The Indian Muslim gets shafted by the Hindus in the Gulf, then they are targetted again in the backlash, as Arabs see them as "Indians" and not Hindus/Muslims.

[Ecurrexchangess]

80.5% of the Indians are Hindus, with 13.4% of the population Muslim, making India home to the third-largest Muslim population in the world after Indonesia and Pakistan. India also contains the majority of the world's Zoroastrians, Sikhs, Jains and Bahá'í. Other religious groups include Christians (2.3%), Buddhists (0.8%), Jains (0.4%), and Jews.

WS

Dont think these stats are real.. Count us atleast 20% .

[Knillagrarp]

Dont think these stats are real.. Count us atleast 20% .

As I said earlier, the more the merrier...although we are like the foam of the sea........rich in numbers......hollow from the inside....

[piramirra]

You made a mistake. When nationalization programs are implemented, they dont target Hindus, they target all, Hindu and Muslim.
The Indian Muslim gets shafted by the Hindus in the Gulf, then they are targetted again in the backlash, as Arabs see them as "Indians" and not Hindus/Muslims.

Good points. I have a question regarding Indian Muslims.
When most any immigrant community settle in America, they have almost all acquired American attire and language.
And yet, when immigrant communities have formed in UAE, they retain their language and dress. Almost none wear dishdasha. Some were Indian turban. None wear ghutra. The vast majority wear Western styled pants and shirt.

"When in Rome, do as Romans do" doesn't apply.

Any ideas why that is?


Incidently, I saw a Chinese tourist walking in the mall with two fellow tourist yesterday in a red ghutra and dishdasha.

[TaxSheemaSter]

Good points. I have a question regarding Indian Muslims.
When most any immigrant community settle in America, they have almost all acquired American attire and language.
And yet, when immigrant communities have formed in UAE, they retain their language and dress. Almost none wear dishdasha. Some were Indian turban. None wear ghutra. The vast majority wear Western styled pants and shirt.

"When in Rome, do as Romans do" doesn't apply.

Any ideas why that is?


Incidently, I saw a Chinese tourist walking in the mall with two fellow tourist yesterday in a red ghutra and dishdasha.

Bismillahi
Being in India, I can tell most of muslim men here wear western pants and shirts and perhaps they wear the same everywhere. It looks distinct in arab world as arabs clothing is different whereas in USA as it is almost the same, people don't find the difference. Allahu alam.

[Knillagrarp]

surprise, Muslim large population in india. Muslim never can be weaken the reason is most of people are by name muslim. they are follow hindu culture, see they are wedding events and all other stuff. they faraway form Islam. Our Ulima are divided them in differnt Firqha. So they never can be united until they just have to follow Quran and Hadith and act upon.

What are you trying to say brother?

[piramirra]

Bismillahi
Being in India, I can tell most of muslim men here wear western pants and shirts and perhaps they wear the same everywhere. It looks distinct in arab world as arabs clothing is different whereas in USA as it is almost the same, people don't find the difference. Allahu alam.

I see. But then, why don't Indian Muslims in the UAE attempt to "integrate" into Emirati culture by acquiring their attire and language?

I met one Indian Muslim who spoke fluent english and had been in the UAE for 10 years on an oil rig and never learned arabic. There are many like this- no arabic but fluent english.

I have met many Indians who identify more with Hindus from Indian than with Emiratis or other fellow Muslims. I suspect language is an enormous variable in this.

[Uhmavano]

I see. But then, why don't Indian Muslims in the UAE attempt to "integrate" into Emirati culture by acquiring their attire and language?

I met one Indian Muslim who spoke fluent english and had been in the UAE for 10 years on an oil rig and never learned arabic. There are many like this- no arabic but fluent english.

I have met many Indians who identify more with Hindus from Indian than with Emiratis or other fellow Muslims. I suspect language is an enormous variable in this.

Don't we see Sheiks of Emirates are more inclined towards WEST rather than Identifying with their own culture

[idertedype]

Brother Usama your assessment is incorrect. The majority of indian muslims identify themselves more with arabs than their hindu counterparts. Unfortuntely when they get treated the same as their non-muslim counterparts and they face regular discrimination then sometimes this leads to resentment. Unfortunetely many arabs do not classify indians as muslims. In the UAE I once phoned up a hospital and spoke to an arab expat secretary (not a uae national but a levantine arab). I told the secretary which doctors were available. The secretary mentioned some doctors and mentioned their nationalities and also mentioned that we have an indian. I asked the secretary if the indian was a hindu or a muslim and the secretary just shrugged off the question and stated that the doctor was an indian. Also I do not see the need for indians to try and integrate into emirati culture? What does arab culture have to offer? In our family in nearly each house we have 1 hafiz of quraan and a scholar. Name me how many arab/emirati families you know who are like this? I know some indian families and regions where every person is a hafiz of quraan and the majority of males grow full beards. Why should the indian muslims seek to imitate emiratis or other arabs for this matter when the majority are very far away from the sunah of Rasulullah sallwahsiaalam. Since you live in the UAE tell me how many men actually have a beard? A proper sunnah beard. I have a TV in my house but don't watch it. When I tell my arab friends that I don't watch TV they are amazed (I do have a TV in my house but ideally the TV should not be there). When I told an arab shaykh that a particular indopak shaykh forbids his students from watching TV he was amazed. Most arabs have made their qibla the satellite dish.

With regards to not learning arabic I agree that indopak people should try to learn arabic. The major problem comes is when the arabs themselves are not proud of their language and culture and are trying their best to imitate the kuffar. Why would somebody want to imitate a culture where the actual people are not even proud of their own culture? Most arabs I know are too busy perfecting their english and their english 'accent' and their arabic is very weak. Many non-arabs have a stronger understanding of the language especially related to the grammer/syntax.

Also brother Usama you have most likely met the people of kerala who make up the majority of the population of UAE. The people in many places like UP, Bombay etc do not wear kuffar attire. You will see most of them covering their heads with a kufi.

[piramirra]

Don't we see Sheiks of Emirates are more inclined towards WEST rather than Identifying with their own culture

Perhaps. But I'm speaking of average people. Emirati leaders have a serious dilemma in the encroaching dominance of Western secular culture in the Emirates. However, the average Emirati tends to wear traditional "national dress" and speak arabic.

When the government required expats to apply for a national id card, the instructions were for expats to wear their own "national dress". Except, most nations simply wear Western style pants and shirt, so most people were wondering what to do about that. Then they issued instructions just to wear a suit if you have no national dress.

As sister mentioned regarding India, Indians here in UAE tend to wear only pants and shirt, Western style. There is no distinction between Indians in that, such that one cannot distinguish Muslim from Hindu in dress, which is frustrating. Sikhs stand out at least with their beards and sikhi turban.

[idertedype]

Yes the emiratis are generally good in that they have preserved their dress unlike the other arabs. However most emiratis are very westernized in their thinking. There is more islam in the UK than UAE