[mobiphones]

Homosexuality is a big topic here in the west, but I never understood what made it so significant.
Point is that a society chooses how it's civillians should act, according to their specific ethical standards. Western civilization has a different ethical standard than the Muslim world.

Adultery is seen in the western world as something normal, it happens. If you do it while you're married, people might frown but nothing serious will happen. Islamic standards are of course
clear about this topic, adultery is heavily condemned.
It destroys the very nature of the human being, the bonds within the family are dismissed.
While the human being is attracted to a social hierarchy, western culture demands a pattern of
life based on the individual. While in reality this is quite akward, since the biological foundation
gives no support to this philosophy, the human being is a sheep.

Whether people are born with homosexuality, or in someway become homosexual is not important.
The point is that every one of us carries a object with us, which we should wage Jihad against with the best of our intention. For some people that could be a gambling addiction, for someone else that could be anger.

[Bbjhjxfy]

Some musicians (and SF members) would have you believe that with regards to homosexuality, people are 'Born This Way'.
Yeah right!

[neotheMit]

I believe that people are born gay.

I don't know, because Pedophilia is exactly the same thing as far as "feeling" goes. To use the logic your born gay must also mean your born a pedophile. What about those that are into beastiality etc.

[Kafuuil]

Homosexuality is a Major Sin according to Islam. We should not engage in such acts nor justify it. Period.

May Allah protect us from such Evil thoughts. Ameen.

[AmericaAirline 111]

i ask you again why you believe people are born gay?

what about those who molest small children. were they also born like that?

what about those who lie with animals. were they also born like that?

what about this guy...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...1000-cars.html

people are born on fitrah. human nature as created by Allah. they are then corrupted and move away from fitrah and some move away so far to the point of perversion.

It's all about sexual attraction. People are sexually attracted to certain things and they can't help it. Sort of like how Pakistanis like white women and stuff like that.

Seriously, I've seen fetishes where people get sexually thrilled if a girls runs them over with a car. Or eating sticks of butter. Or wearing superhero costumes, etc.

Everyone has their own preference when it comes to what they want to have sex with.

[Bill-Watson]

It's all about sexual attraction. People are sexually attracted to certain things and they can't help it. Sort of like how Pakistanis like white women and stuff like that.

Seriously, I've seen fetishes where people get sexually thrilled if a girls runs them over with a car. Or eating sticks of butter. Or wearing superhero costumes, etc.

Everyone has their own preference when it comes to what they want to have sex with.

so all these people are born like this?

[Kafuuil]

It's all about sexual attraction. People are sexually attracted to certain things and they can't help it. Sort of like how Pakistanis like white women and stuff like that.

Seriously, I've seen fetishes where people get sexually thrilled if a girls runs them over with a car. Or eating sticks of butter. Or wearing superhero costumes, etc.

Everyone has their own preference when it comes to what they want to have sex with.

bro,

These preferences or fetishes are not genetically or hereditary gained. Its the product of ones own environment. In Islam there have been laid some rules regarding these Sexual preferences. Whatever one does it should be with the spouse (of the opposite sex) and no sodomy allowed. There is lot of room for whatever preferences after these two conditions are followed.

[AmericaAirline 111]

so all these people are born like this?

Yes.

Tell you what, if homosexuality is a choice, then that means you choose to be attracted to girls. That also means you have the ability to be attracted to men.

[chodeasyday]

There is no scientific evidence which supports that people are born "gay". In the early 90's gay activists were positive that there was a gay gene, but when the human genone project had completed mapping our genome we didn't find any gene which suggested that homosexuality was hard wired within us.

Another study was undertaken by Dr. Alan Sanders with the Evanston Northwestern Healthcare Research Institute, who is conducting a study that seeks to discover if there's a genetic origin to homosexuality. The study has been on going since 2005 which will study 1,000 pairs of gay brothers as well as straight brothers and parents and it will be looking at several genes that interact with non-genetic factors.

Six years later the study has shown nothing conclusive.

[Louthcoombutt]

Yes.

Tell you what, if homosexuality is a choice, then that means you choose to be attracted to girls. That also means you have the ability to be attracted to men.

Its not quite like that.

Sexual inclination is more like the inclination to survive. It flows in one direction. Only the aberrant and perverse go against the current.

The physiology of the body and instincts all gear the individual towards survival, but he can still commit suicide if the urge, the thoughts, the feelings are strong enough.

The physiology of the body and the instincts all gear the individual towards procreation with the opposite gender, but he can still engage in perversity of all kinds if the urge, the thoughts, the feelings are strong enough. Whether that perversity is homosexuality, necrophilia, bestiality, etc.

Suicide is not a disease, its a choice that someone makes based on a demented mental state- not as a result of a biological imperative or force of nature. And it can be fostered by a culture, even encouraged, as in Japanese feudal culture.

Homosexual conduct is a choice that someone makes based on demented perverse thoughts. And in many cases, gays admit to having heterosexual relations and tendencies.


But when it comes to homosexuality, its proponents have carefully examined philosophy, ideology, law, in order to plan and implement their goals of normalization. No other perversity has such an organized lobby. Gay pedophiles have NAMBLA which attempted to form such an effort but to no avail.

Wolf, do you have the potential to commit suicide? Or murder? But how likely are you to do so?

[AmericaAirline 111]

Wolf, do you have the potential to commit suicide? But how likely are you to do so?

I'm very likely but I'm on medication for it (which I stopped taking)

[Kafuuil]

Wolf,

How much do you know about whispering of the Shaitan(waswaas) ?
Are you aware of this thing? I m just asking since you are a convert, you might have not heard much about it and the powerful influence of whispers.

N hey try to read this book: http://yunuspatel.co.za/books-whisperingsofshaitaan.php
Its not specific to the topic in discussion. But very useful to understand certain inclinations and thoughts which we encounter often.

[MediconStop]

The reason I posted the citation was to show that the evidence was twisted by the Gay Lobby. But the discussion has gone elsewhere.

[Louthcoombutt]

I'm very likely but I'm on medication for it (which I stopped taking)

I did mean in a personal sense, but in an intellectual sense. That is, we all have the potential to commit suicide as we are all human. But we are not likely to do so because of our beliefs, thoughts, sentiments, intentions. We do not normally approach suicide.


But for one who is near it, it is said to be an overwhelming thought that lingers.

Wolf, if you are seriously likely to commit suicide, then I'm truly saddened to hear of this. When I was growing up, a close friend was dealing with suicidal tendencies for years. May Allah have mercy on you.

[AmericaAirline 111]

Wolf, if you are seriously likely to commit suicide, then I'm truly saddened to hear of this. When I was growing up, a close friend was dealing with suicidal tendencies for years. May Allah have mercy on you.

I have more mental illnesses than you can ever dream of. I do have suicidal thoughts every now and then

[Louthcoombutt]

I have more mental illnesses than you can ever dream of. I do have suicidal thoughts every now and then

Im no longer in the medical profession, but I dealt with suicidal patients for years.
You say you have a lot of "mental illnesses" but are NOT taking medication, may I ask why not?

[AmericaAirline 111]

Im no longer in the medical profession, but I dealt with suicidal patients for years.
You say you have a lot of "mental illnesses" but are NOT taking medication, may I ask why not?

I decided not to take it anymore. I stopped visiting my therapist because I think he's a fake (or at least not good at what he does). I have a very twisted view of the world and how I view the people around me, but I've come to the conclusion that he's not helping me.

I don't need pills to make me happy. I'm confident I can do that myself

[55TRATTERENRY]

I decided not to take it anymore. I stopped visiting my therapist because I think he's a fake (or at least not good at what he does). I have a very twisted view of the world and how I view the people around me, but I've come to the conclusion that he's not helping me.

I don't need pills to make me happy. I'm confident I can do that myself

Imho,probably the best decision you've made.
Bro,everybody is born upon fitrah.Allah has created a natural inclination of man and woman towards one another,not man and man or woman and woman.Isn't it interesting that people who are 'born homosexual' are only inclined towards homosexuality after being exposed to such behaviour?
People do not discover/develop their natural sexuality by being exposed to sexual behaviour.The most asexual individual develops his natural sexuality through the experiance of puberty e.t.c.
Any corrupt behaviour is addictive once you have indulged entertained thoughts of it or tried to explore it,as it is shaitans tool to control you,which he harneses and imposes on your nafs making you subservient to such behaviour.Just as it's difficult to get a thief to stop thieving,or a prostitute from sleeping around,or a liar to stop lying,so is it difficult to stop a homosexual from his homosexuality.

May Allah guide and protect us all.Aameen
was salaam

[Kafuuil]

I have more mental illnesses than you can ever dream of. I do have suicidal thoughts every now and then

bro.
Did you take a look at the book i posted above. Its a very good one. I too had many stupid thoughts, not suicidal though. Its all whispers, they are to be ignored. All that matters is our relationship with Allah . Please read the book bro. It will help you .

[MediconStop]

I decided not to take it anymore. I stopped visiting my therapist because I think he's a fake (or at least not good at what he does). I have a very twisted view of the world and how I view the people around me, but I've come to the conclusion that he's not helping me.

I don't need pills to make me happy. I'm confident I can do that myself

I would strongly suggest that you stay in touch with your Psychiatrist and take your pills on time.