[MediconStop]

The proponents of homosexuality claim that according to American Psychiatrists and Psychologists this is not a disease and they represented such to the Supreme Court of America. Let me puncture the balloon a bit. Please read the following citation carefully:


Errors by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, and the National Educational Association in representing homosexuality in Amicus briefs about amendment 2 to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Cameron, Paul; Cameron, Kirk; Landess, Thomas
Psychological Reports, Vol 79(2), Oct 1996, 383-404.
Abstract
In October 1995, consortiums of psychiatric and educational professional organizations, including the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association and the National Educational Association, submitted amicus briefs to the U.S. Supreme Court asserting that the scientific literature unequivocally supports the following propositions:
(a) that homosexuals, including homosexual teachers, do not disproportionately molest children,
(b) that children of homosexual parents are not more likely to become homosexuals,
(c) that professionals agree that homosexuality is not a pathology, and
(d) that homosexual attractions are biologically or genetically predetermined and are therefore beyond the control of the individual.

The first two contentions are inconsistent with the scientific literature, and the second two grossly oversimplify a contentious and uncertain literature.

(PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved)

http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/...sexuality.html

Wa salam.

[Kafuuil]

I don't think Homosexuality is a disease. Its not normal either. If its a disease then there is an excuse for being Homosexual. Its a bad path just like fornication. No one is born a Homosexual nor anyone is irreversibly Homosexual. And just like fornication one can lose the habit if he/she wills.

[MediconStop]

I don't think Homosexuality is a disease. Its not normal either. If its a disease then there is an excuse for being Homosexual. Its a bad path just like fornication. No one is born a Homosexual nor anyone is irreversibly Homosexual. And just like fornication one can lose the habit if he/she wills.

Would you say that it is a perversion?

[11Woxsepmoomo]

What do you think causes this thing? I know that there are people who, being religious Muslims (and Christians too), definitely do not want this thing but it comes to them anyway, and it causes terrible mental torture as they use all their inner strength to fight.

Is it an imbalance of the inner elements? eg. not enough Fire and Earth, too much Water or Air?

[Kafuuil]

Would you say that it is a perversion?

Modern medicine doesn't consider having extramarital sex as an act of perversion, so their opinion is not applicable to us Muslims in this topic.

By Islamic standards, Yes. Fornication, Homosexuality, etc are acts of perversion.

Basically Homosexuals like to convince themselves its not their 'fault' for their wrong inclination. Usually in the west there are Questions being asked like : 'When did you realize that you are Gay/lesbian?'. Which is a propaganda to make people believe its normal to be a homosexual and some people are born Gay. Which is completely False.

On the other extreme some people say it is a disease, But its out of extreme disgust of this act. But we shouldn't label it as a disease because we will be indirectly supporting the above mentioned propaganda. Its not a Psychological Disease. If its a disease then it would have been an excuse and not a Sin.

Islam is clear cut in this topic, Homosexuality is not a Disease, its a Major Sin. A whole nation [Who was warned by Prophet Lut (as)] was destroyed by Allah for committing this Sin.

What do you think causes this thing? I know that there are people who, being religious Muslims (and Christians too), definitely do not want this thing but it comes to them anyway, and it causes terrible mental torture as they use all their inner strength to fight.

Is it an imbalance of the inner elements? eg. not enough Fire and Earth, too much Water or Air?

Bro,

Its just whispering of the Shaitan, the same whispers which urge us to commit Zina. I think many Men will have experienced whispers like 'I am more of a lady' 'i wish i was a girl' etc etc. Its just false beliefs that are injected into people to think they are 'wired' differently. No 'imbalance' involved.

Auzhubillahi minashaitanir rajeem.

[cjOTw7ov]

See here.
Wasalam

[emupsMaispubs]

Modern medicine doesn't consider having extramarital sex as an act of perversion, so their opinion is not applicable to us Muslims in this topic.

By Islamic standards, Yes. Fornication, Homosexuality, etc are acts of perversion.

Basically Homosexuals like to convince themselves its not their 'fault' for their wrong inclination. Usually in the west there are Questions being asked like : 'When did you realize that you are Gay/lesbian?'. Which is a propaganda to make people believe its normal to be a homosexual and some people are born Gay. Which is completely False.

On the other extreme some people say it is a disease, But its out of extreme disgust of this act. But we shouldn't label it as a disease because we will be indirectly supporting the above mentioned propaganda. Its not a Psychological Disease. If its a disease then it would have been an excuse and not a Sin.

Islam is clear cut in this topic, Homosexuality is not a Disease, its a Major Sin. A whole nation [Who was warned by Prophet Lut (as)] was destroyed by Allah for committing this Sin.





Bro,

Its just whispering of the Shaitan, the same whispers which urge us to commit Zina. I think many Men will have experienced whispers like 'I am more of a lady' 'i wish i was a girl' etc etc. Its just false beliefs that are injected into people to think they are 'wired' differently. No 'imbalance' involved.

Auzhubillahi minashaitanir rajeem.

very nice post. I especially agree with the 'when did you realize' question. Most answer things like they realized they were different at ages four or so! As if children even think of such things at that age.

[AmericaAirline 111]

I believe that people are born gay. And if a person is born gay, then Allah (SWT) intended for that person to be gay. If Allah (SWT) intends for a person to be gay, how is it a crime?

[cjOTw7ov]

I believe that people are born gay. And if a person is born gay, then Allah (SWT) intended for that person to be gay. If Allah (SWT) intends for a person to be gay, how is it a crime?

People of Lot (AS) were punished with complete destruction because of this-we do not have historical account of those people-think of severity of punishment again. Hence this will go against our belief to say that Allah (SWT) intends a person to be gay. The dominant information disseminating environment has brain washed us to believe against what Allah (SWT) desires. All Pure is He from such attributions.
Wassalam

[Bill-Watson]

I believe that people are born gay.

what makes you believe this?

[11Woxsepmoomo]

I say rather, that some people are tested with strange temptations. And if they overcome it, even just by holding on day by day, the reward will be greater than for ordinary people.

(And part of the test is the lack of understanding from other people.)



Is celibacy something acceptable, for someone who is using his entire energy just resisting this strange temptation such that he cannot imagine being married?

Or at least, until he gets it under control.

[cjOTw7ov]

Is celibacy something acceptable, for someone who is using his entire energy just resisting this strange temptation such that he cannot imagine being married?

Marriage is a necessity and it is mandatory (wajib) to fulfill your necessities. So the answer is no.
(Of course if you do not have the means to fulfill this necessity then Allah (SWT) says that you be patient.)
Wassalam

[AmericaAirline 111]

what makes you believe this?

What makes you think it's a choice?

[Bill-Watson]

What makes you think it's a choice?

did i say that?

can you answer my question please.

[gabbaman]

I believe that people are born gay. Even if there are certain people that are irreparably homosexual by birth, even then according to the laws of Islam it would be necessary for them to avoid the thoughts that Allah has judged to be evil in this case, and to follow through on establishing the relationship of marriage as per the laws He legislated. After all, there is no right or wrong without a judge, and once we know that Allah is the judge and that he has legislated such-and-such things, then we have no choice but to follow. It is true that our inner self will resist, but this is simply were the Muslim has to do his best to control the wrong things, and this starts of by acknowledging what is right and what is wrong. All of us do sin, but the very least one can do is to acknowledge that the sin is a sin in the judgment of Allah and then move forward from that direction.

[Louthcoombutt]

What makes you think it's a choice?

Of all the actions which Man undertakes of freewill and choice, SEX is one of the most volatile and important.

Humans have the choice to take their own lives in suicide.
In fact, homosexuality is more like suicide in that the physiology of Man is designed for survival, to enable Man to thrive. But it is Man's freewill, his choice, and his thoughts, even his chosen culture, which drive him to commit suicide regardless of and in contradiction to his nature.

Gayness is despite the physiology and anatomy designed for procreation and heterosexual marital sex, Man chooses to favor his thoughts and feelings that incline him towards gay sex.

As for the "Origins of Homosexuality", one has to FIRST recognize the poor science which concocted the idea of "sexuality". It was the observation of modern Western social interactions in America in particular, but with background in late 19th, early 20th century CE Europe (including Freudian studies) that labelled the sexual attraction of males to other males as homo- sexual, Greek for same sexual attraction. Homo meaning same.

This homosexual conduct was recognized throughout much of human history usually to be repressed if not shunned. In other societies, it was accepted though of lesser value, as in Greek and Roman history.

It wasn't until the mid 20th century CE study the Kinsey Report categorized sexual orientation as a fixed, definitive meaning. But to no surprise, the vast majority of patients were White Caucasian males. This is significant because as the dominant segment of society, indeed of the world, they were more empowered to define and redefine every facet of society to fulfill their interests and thoughts. Thus, as they supported racial segregation, and repressed female suffrage domestically, they also engaged in imperial wars abroad.


Man transcends the borders of every aspect of life. He can kill himself. He can kill his own children, his parents, his brothers. Man can eat his fellow Man. Man can declare himself a god.
There are no barriers to his freewill and choice determining any such action.

Sexual conduct is no different.
And if one takes the anecdotal stories of gays who claim they thought they were always gay, then one must also take the stories of those who say they wer molested as children by same sex perpetrators and that molestation led to their homosexuality.
And one must also take the stories of those who were in heterosexual relationships and CHOSE to leave them to engage in gay sex later in life.

[Louthcoombutt]

If you BELIEVE someone is born gay, then on WHAT BASIS of reality is one determining that belief?

The testimony of a gay?

There is NO GAY GENE. There is NO CONGENITAL PREDISPOSITION TOWARDS BEING GAY, meaning that there are no known factors that emerge during fetal development that lead to being gay, much like how alcohol consumption by a pregnant mother can negatively affect the fetal development of a child leading to Downs syndrome.

So this BELIEF, it is FAITH in the testimony of gays about which they have no personal knowledge either. It is pure conjecture. And yet you INCLUDE it in your belief?

[Bill-Watson]

I believe that people are born gay.

i ask you again why you believe people are born gay?

what about those who molest small children. were they also born like that?

what about those who lie with animals. were they also born like that?

what about this guy...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...1000-cars.html

people are born on fitrah. human nature as created by Allah. they are then corrupted and move away from fitrah and some move away so far to the point of perversion.

[Hbkj89D2]

Assalamu alaikum.
I am posting a link to Abu Taubahs talk on homosexuality, it's a 3 part series.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9miPp...e_gdata_player

I think gays are gays because of the way they are brought up & think like Abu Taubah said we need to talk about it instead of letting others talk about it like schools. Being gay is now accepted in the west so we need to let our children know that it's not ok & that it's not acceptable.
For a boy it's very important to have a father who spends quality time with him, to show him a mans way of life & same mother for daughter.
I go as far as forbidding my wife in giving my son anything pink or purple or play with any girls toys, these things play a role in a child's up bringing.
I won't elaborate too much, but have seen what happens to a boy that has a father who doesn't spend quality time with him so spends most of his time playing with his sisters.
I once spoke to a physiologist about the topic & she said that people are not born gay they are made gay in the environment they are brought up in...
Not to mention what the Quran says

[gabbaman]

From the article quoted the following quote is interesting:

Mr Smith is now part of a global community of more than 500 “car lovers” brought together by internet forums. One can imagine a scenario where enough people are persuaded into allowing (voting or legislating) for this type of 'relationship' to be legally recognized, since at the end of the end in their views, the car is not molested or hurt, there are no unwanted side-effects like broken relationships, the people doing it are happy, and it is their private lives.