[Loonakind]

let people debate, those who want to debate. those who are on the side of Haqq have nothing to fear. only those who themselves dont have faith in their own beliefs, dont want to have debates with others about it. i have my views and opinions, but im not much into religious debate. i concentrate on political conflict. but i want people to concentrate on these debates, otherwise the Haqq will end up losing. if salafis are corrupting people, then whats wrong with trying to disprove them?? and the same goes vice versa for any opinion/sides.

as for this "im not shia, sunni, sufi, etc. im a muslim". thats what i hate. the shia want people to say that, and the ahmadiyya want people to say that. so that people think that they are also muslim. to be muslim means to follow the Prophet Muhamnmad (SM), which is his SUNNAH. otherwise, to be a "muslim" can mean you are a follower of moses, abraham, david, ishmael, etc. but WE are not followers of torah/gospel (their time is gone), we are followers of QURAAN and SUNNAH. and that alone is our aqeedah. and all these ppl who follow shiaism, khariji, qadianism. they are rejector of SUNNAH, hence not muslim. a munafiq will always identify himself as "muslim", even the dajjal. so be make sure to verify that he follows the SUNNAH of our Prophet and Sahaba.

[VowJoyday]

السلام عليكم

I Suggest closing any thread discussing the nature of God as it's a Bida'ah. How he descends, ascends, what's meant by Hand, all hearing all seeing, what's a throne, where is god, above/below heavens, everywhere nowhere ect.... all of them bring no benefit to Islam whatsoever.

EDIT: Also no more Takfeer on Ahlul-Sunnah, No one should make Takfeer on Habib Ali because he is a Sufi or Yusuf Estes because he is a Salafi.

أرجو أن يأخذ الأخ أبو هاجرة الحنفي مشاركتي بعين الاعتبار و أن نضع حدا لهذه المهزلة في المنتدى

Salam aleikum brother

This is a VERY very wise proposal. Let s focus on discussing how we can try to perfect our life to bring us closer to the Sunnah path.

[rNr5Di3S]

Salam aleikum brother

This is a VERY very wise proposal. Let s focus on discussing how we can try to perfect our life to bring us closer to the Sunnah path.

Yes what Tripolisunni said is right, People with very little knowledge are discussing about Aqeedah and Allah's attributes. I hope the Mods lock these threads immediately. A new one has popped up too. I request the mods to pleeeeeease stop this fitnah. We are helpless, only thing we can do is to be silent and not take part in such discussions. Rather like HamdanUAE said we ought to focus on our individual performance as a Muslim.

[Broker15015]

"Anyone else SICK of Salafi/Asha'ri Aqeedah wars on this forum?"

What makes me sick is that Wahhabis or closet-Wahhabis are being allowed to propagate their views here.

EDIT: Also no more Takfeer on Ahlul-Sunnah, No one should make Takfeer on Habib Ali because he is a Sufi or Yusuf Estes because he is a Salafi.

Takfir aside, that sentence implies Yusuf Estes is a part of Ahl al-Sunna (even though he attacks Ahl al-Sunna openly and spreads Wahhabi beliefs).

That's part of the problem on this forum - the unclear definition of who is a Sunni and who is not and a blurred line between Ahl al-Sunna and Ahl al-Bid'a that a lot of members seem to be spreading. The fitna is not members opposing Wahhabism - the fitna is that softening of the stance against Wahhabism is being allowed on this forum and members opposing this trend are attacked.

If that's a representation of today's Deobandi Maslak, then I'm beginning to understand the Barelwis and others lumping you all in with the Salafis!

If on the other hand those "Salafis are Ahl al-Sunna too" promoters are not representative of the Deobandi Maslak, then please clarify and stop having a "laissez-faire" attitude towards Wahhabi propaganda.

EDIT: Just found this quote in another thread (my underlining):

Answer 12121

Being classified as part of the Ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah or not, is not based on jurisprudence (Fiqh), it is on the basis of beliefs (Aqaaid). While in practice, the Wahabis are very similar to us, their completely incorrect beliefs demand that we highlight this to the public. As long as they aren't actively opposing us or spreading their Bidah Beliefs, we do not oppose them, but rather try to keep a good relationship with them. The Ulama of Deoband as a whole always had good relationships with the Saudi Ulama, however as a result of the number of books being published by the Wahabis against the Ulama of Deoband as well as their increasing efforts in spreading their Bidah beliefs and their public classifying the beliefs of the Asharis and Maaturidis as misguidance and shirk, our Ulama have been forced to reconsider our relationship with them.

They remain in the fold of Islam, but are classified as Ahlul Bidah on account of their beliefs.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai Allahumma ya Muqallib al-qulub, thabbit qulubana 'ala Dinik!

[Roker]

"Anyone else SICK of Salafi/Asha'ri Aqeedah wars on this forum?"

What makes me sick is that Wahhabis or closet-Wahhabis are being allowed to propagate their views here.



Takfir aside, that sentence implies Yusuf Estes is a part of Ahl al-Sunna (even though he attacks Ahl al-Sunna openly and spreads Wahhabi beliefs).

That's part of the problem on this forum - the unclear definition of who is a Sunni and who is not and a blurred line between Ahl al-Sunna and Ahl al-Bid'a that a lot of members seem to be spreading. The fitna is not members opposing Wahhabism - the fitna is that softening of the stance against Wahhabism is being allowed on this forum and members opposing this trend are attacked.

If that's a representation of today's Deobandi Maslak, then I'm beginning to understand the Barelwis and others lumping you all in with the Salafis!

If on the other hand those "Salafis are Ahl al-Sunna too" promoters are not representative of the Deobandi Maslak, then please clarify and stop having a "laissez-faire" attitude towards Wahhabi propaganda.

EDIT: Just found this quote in another thread (my underlining):



Allahumma ya Muqallib al-qulub, thabbit qulubana 'ala Dinik!

Assalamoualaikoum

In no way we are similar to the Wahabi. We don't make takfir on them because we consider them as Muslims though not part of Ahlus Sunna. I read a post that Shaykh Habib Ali al Jifri also does not make takfir on them.

But I agree with you that they (the salafi) should be tackled if they are caught spreading their beliefs. What we should do is to flag such threads, when we come across them, to the attention of the moderators so that they can take the necessary actions.

And Allah Ta'ala knows best

Ayaz

[Broker15015]

let people debate, those who want to debate. those who are on the side of Haqq have nothing to fear. only those who themselves dont have faith in their own beliefs, dont want to have debates with others about it. i have my views and opinions, but im not much into religious debate. i concentrate on political conflict. but i want people to concentrate on these debates, otherwise the Haqq will end up losing. if salafis are corrupting people, then whats wrong with trying to disprove them?? and the same goes vice versa for any opinion/sides.

as for this "im not shia, sunni, sufi, etc. im a muslim". thats what i hate. the shia want people to say that, and the ahmadiyya want people to say that. so that people think that they are also muslim. to be muslim means to follow the Prophet Muhamnmad (SM), which is his SUNNAH. otherwise, to be a "muslim" can mean you are a follower of moses, abraham, david, ishmael, etc. but WE are not followers of torah/gospel (their time is gone), we are followers of QURAAN and SUNNAH. and that alone is our aqeedah. and all these ppl who follow shiaism, khariji, qadianism. they are rejector of SUNNAH, hence not muslim. a munafiq will always identify himself as "muslim", even the dajjal. so be make sure to verify that he follows the SUNNAH of our Prophet and Sahaba.

Very well put!

[Broker15015]

Assalamoualaikoum

In no way we are similar to the Wahabi. We don't make takfir on them because we consider them as Muslims though not part of Ahlus Sunna. I read a post that Shaykh Habib Ali al Jifri also does not make takfir on them.

But I agree with you that they (the salafi) should be tackled if they are caught spreading their beliefs. What we should do is to flag such threads, when we come across them, to the attention of the moderators so that they can take the necessary actions.

And Allah Ta'ala knows best

Ayaz

Wa 'alaykum us-salam wa rahmatullah,



I agree - I don't make Takfir of Wahhabis either.

[Liaiskelile]

the salafi/ashari arguments are quite similar to the arguments between liverpool and manchester united supporters (if anyone is interested in football)

[Pelefaifs]

the salafi/ashari arguments are quite similar to the arguments between liverpool and manchester united supporters (if anyone is interested in football)

Nah, I see it as much different and I'm not even from the UK.

[nithhysfusy]

let people debate, those who want to debate. those who are on the side of Haqq have nothing to fear. only those who themselves dont have faith in their own beliefs, dont want to have debates with others about it. i have my views and opinions, but im not much into religious debate. i concentrate on political conflict. but i want people to concentrate on these debates, otherwise the Haqq will end up losing. if salafis are corrupting people, then whats wrong with trying to disprove them?? and the same goes vice versa for any opinion/sides.

as for this "im not shia, sunni, sufi, etc. im a muslim". thats what i hate. the shia want people to say that, and the ahmadiyya want people to say that. so that people think that they are also muslim. to be muslim means to follow the Prophet Muhamnmad (SM), which is his SUNNAH. otherwise, to be a "muslim" can mean you are a follower of moses, abraham, david, ishmael, etc. but WE are not followers of torah/gospel (their time is gone), we are followers of QURAAN and SUNNAH. and that alone is our aqeedah. and all these ppl who follow shiaism, khariji, qadianism. they are rejector of SUNNAH, hence not muslim. a munafiq will always identify himself as "muslim", even the dajjal. so be make sure to verify that he follows the SUNNAH of our Prophet and Sahaba.

very well said!

[Dastyh]

Another thing that sometimes happens is that a Deobandi x Barelwi thing starts... and somehow the Shafiis and Malikis get dragged into the Hanafi feud, sometimes by citing Shafii authorities, sometimes by saying "Arab Barelwi", etc etc...

And we're like, "Huh? What? Eh? Why? Err?"

[GEAntonio]

I agree. Salafi and ahlal kalaam laymen should leave debates of this nature alone. However issues of shirk still need to be tackled inshAllah. I havent brought up issues of asma wassiffaat for a long time and im a salafi. the reason being, my teachers tel me that laymen have no business talking about this and we should be focusing on unity with those who are muwahhid and leave the scholars to debate finer issues within islam

[hujdrftgkas]

Also sick of moonfighting, sorry....moonsighting debates!!!!!