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A few general statements before I comment on the discussion of this post.

Guys...my job is to make things easy for you...so it won't harm you if you showed some love this way : )

Brother Mospike, you use 40 rolls of toilet paper in a month?! Wait...maybe that's because you have a large family or that the toilet rolls in South Africa are really small or the plies are less than in other places or whatever. But I'm quite surprised with that number. Unless you are taking the Chilla and the number 40 too literally. i.e. The effects of 40 days in spiritual solitude whilst out in Jamat can never be achieved in 35 days so for a true spiritual reformation, 40 days is a must. Similarly, if a person wants to be really clean physically, 40 toilet rolls is a must.

Other than that...I would request Brother Abu Hajirah to not hijack this thread with useless arguments and waste my time.

That being said.... Here are my comments on this issue:

Along with everything what has been said on this topic, let me add a few more points to this discussion:

1) Urine (and the water that it falls into) is considered to be Najasat Ghalizah. The ruling for Najasate Ghalizah falling on the body and clothes is that:

A) If it is more than one dirham, then Salat is not permissible in this state and it's Fardh to wash it off.

B) If the Najasate Ghalizah is the amount of one dirham in diameter, then it's Wajib to wash it off and if a person performs Salah without washing it off, then it's Wajibul E'adah and it must be repeated and it’s Makrooh Tahreemee.

C) If it is less than one dirham in diameter, then it is Sunnah to wash it off and Salat will be accepted if a person performs prayer with this amount of Najasah on the body. But it is against the Sunnah to perform prayers in the condition that a person has less than a dirham's diameter of Najasah Ghalizah on the body or clothes and it's better to repeat it though not necessary and this category is termed as: Makrooh Tanzihi.

The next question is: What is the diameter of a dirham? And how do we work out the diameter of a dirham? The scholars of Islam say that the way to find out the diameter of a dirham is by doing the following:

Fully open and stretch out the palm and whilst at it, stretch out the fingers as well. Then slowly pour water into the palm and whatever water remains on the palm, that is the diameter of a dirham.

So I guess, each person's diameter of a dirham will be according to their own palm size. In the Urdu fiqh books, we read that the diameter of a dirham is about the size of a Pakistani Rupee (the old one) or the Indian Rupee. The diameter of an Indian Rupee is about 25 mm. I just practically tried the above method and it seems that it's a bit more than the diameter of an Indo/Pak rupee. I would say that at a minimum a dirham would be more than the diameter of Canadian two dollar coin which is about 28 mm in diameter.

Well...Whatever the case....Any Najasah Ghaleezah less than the diameter of a dirham is excused. The next question is: After gathering all the splashes which reach the body or the clothes (after taking due caution), does it reach Qadr dirham or not? I personally feel that most likely it will not reach the diameter of a Dirham. If it doesn't, then it's all good and you don’t need to really worry about this issue

On Sunnipath, they've mentioned in one place the dirmham to be of 6 cm diameter and at another place the dirham to be 6 cm radius. We know that the diameter is twice the radius. So are they trying to say that the diameter of a dirham is 12 cm? I guess the radius part must be a typo. But still, a dirham of 6 cm diameter is quite huge IMHO.

Personally, I have my timings set when I want to defecate. Once I'm done, I clean myself in the toilet bowl and then jump into the shower. After taking a shower, a person is as some people say, "As clean as a whistle." So if you have a western style toilet at home, then time your defecation so that it coincides with your shower time. In brief...defecate...then take a shower. I have my own secret method of urinating which I'm too shy to share with you all here. If you really want to know…call me yo or email me

So to sum up the above points: Don't worry extensively about urine splashes because most likely they are less than a dirham (and needle-head size drops are forgiven anyway). Use Asian style toilets as much as possible and if not, then try your best to time your defecation times with shower timings. We know through the Hadiths that it's important to stay clean and be cautious about urine drops and a person was being punished solely for the reason that the person wasn't cautious. So it's important that we take all the necessary measures to make sure that urine drops don't fall on us.

Request for Duas in these last few days of Ramadhan.

Maulana,

I LOVE YOU FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH (SWT)

Even though you have weird toilet habits.