[Gogogo]

Aslam o Alikum
theirs some question bumping my head nowadays
1) i heard the people more in deen in early ages are far away at old age
2) vice versa
3)the kids whose parents are religious their kids are far away while at they young age they do bad things by hiding them and when they grow up they are doing against what their parents had taught them
why is this so and how to over come this issue
and the third point i noticed it alot in religious family when the father enters in house the kids say ohh close it hurry father is coming!!
jazkallah

[Timoxari]

Aslam o Alikum
theirs some question bumping my head nowadays
1) i heard the people more in deen in early ages are far away at old age
2) vice versa

What u have heard is not true!
3)the kids whose parents are religious their kids are far away while at they young age they do bad things by hiding them and when they grow up they are doing against what their parents had taught them
why is this so and how to over come this issue
The best thing parents can do is upbringing the children in the best possible way n than its the fate of that child whether he becomes pious or not!!As the brother said prophet Noah(as)'s son was not a believer!!Guidance is merely in the hands of Allah(swt)!All we can do is try, rest it upto Allah..
and the third point i noticed it alot in religious family when the father enters in house the kids say ohh close it hurry father is coming!!
jazkallah close what???

[Gogogo]

close what???

close the music they are listening or movie

[shihoodiacarf]

Aslam o Alikum
theirs some question bumping my head nowadays
1) i heard the people more in deen in early ages are far away at old age
2) vice versa
3)the kids whose parents are religious their kids are far away while at they young age they do bad things by hiding them and when they grow up they are doing against what their parents had taught them
why is this so and how to over come this issue
and the third point i noticed it alot in religious family when the father enters in house the kids say ohh close it hurry father is coming!!
jazkallah

How is it a religious family if they have a TV at home? Nowadays, even computers should not be brought home. It's easier to watch movies on a computer than on TV.

[Gogogo]

How is it a religious family if they have a TV at home? Nowadays, even computers should not be brought home. It's easier to watch movies on a computer than on TV.

rite actually tv doesnot matter nowadays because internet is here to provide every channel free of cost
the point i m thinking about is when sombody knows it is a sin to listen music and his/her brought up is in total islamic way then how come this thing happen
is this because of strictness ?
their parents are not enough friendly?
i want to know how to overcome this issue? because i noticed them in many families

[blogforlovxr]

They seem to be the typical ideas spread by envious non-practising people to degrade practising people: "yes, now they seem to be so pious but in a few years they will "come back to normality"".

Aslam o Alikum
theirs some question bumping my head nowadays
1) i heard the people more in deen in early ages are far away at old age
2) vice versa
3)the kids whose parents are religious their kids are far away while at they young age they do bad things by hiding them and when they grow up they are doing against what their parents had taught them
why is this so and how to over come this issue
and the third point i noticed it alot in religious family when the father enters in house the kids say ohh close it hurry father is coming!!
jazkallah

[Neitteloxesia]

rite actually tv doesnot matter nowadays because internet is here to provide every channel free of cost
the point i m thinking about is when sombody knows it is a sin to listen music and his/her brought up is in total islamic way then how come this thing happen
is this because of strictness ?
their parents are not enough friendly?
i want to know how to overcome this issue? because i noticed them in many families

I think I understand what you are trying to say. Sometimes when children grow up they may move away from the deen due to various reasons: the environment they are in, the drastic changes they see in their lives or the lack of proper tarbiyyah. True hidayah comes from Allah (SWT). One should also be careful not to be arrogant as this can also take us down a dreadful path.
May Allah (SWT) have mercy on us all and our children. Ameen.

[Gogogo]

I think I understand what you are trying to say. Sometimes when children grow up they may move away from the deen due to various reasons: the environment they are in, the drastic changes they see in their lives or the lack of proper tarbiyyah. True hidayah comes from Allah (SWT). One should also be careful not to be arrogant as this can also take us down a dreadful path.
May Allah (SWT) have mercy on us all and our children. Ameen.

yeah i m talking about this
does i sound arrogent???
and ameen to your dua well other part of my post will be in sister section .............i heard someone saying around me look a daughter/son(alim) of this person pious person (who stops us from doing this act) look she is doing this ..........this hurts me and i heard such sentences many time so after that these thoughts were coming over my mind
may allah protect us ameen

[OWDavid]

I can not answer your questions as it refers to Islam, but I can say that in a more general religious sense it is incorrect what you have heard. I wanted to explain why I say this, but it is late and I just arrived back home from a trip.

[Gogogo]

ok dont worry m also going to sleep will discuss it tomorrow inshallah

[cucceevevaind]

sis. what ever u mentioned here is 100% right, but don't generalize it . Every family has different ways of raising their kids and every individual is different in grasping the knowledge of deen and implmenting it in his/her life.

BTW sis. i was just wondering what is ur catch here and what u are trying to know.

May Allah swt. keep you in his Amaan...Aameen!!

[Gogogo]

sis. what ever u mentioned here is 100% right, but don't generalize it . Every family has different ways of raising their kids and every individual is different in grasping the knowledge of deen and implmenting it in his/her life.

BTW sis. i was just wondering what is ur catch here and what u are trying to know.

May Allah swt. keep you in his Amaan...Aameen!!

nothing sis i m just thinking how to brought up a child in such a that instead of getting away from deen and instead of hiding their feelings to their parents they get closer to deen and a good relationship will present among them and their parents

[lidersontop]

Most important question is regarding the children. I remember once a noble and reputable scholar said: Some ask "why is it that some of the children in pious families become fed up?" ... rest of the talk I hardly remember, need to make some search on it. I guess the reasons were:

1. Rushing into things and demanding perfectness from day one
2. Bombarding the child with the knowledge without letting him grasp and digest it
3. Forcing the child into doing things - that are not fardh/wajib to child yet

....

I found the article where this issue was discussed:
http://www.zaman.com.tr/yazar.do;jse...yazino=1078128

The article starts by narrating what the scholar started with: Children of practicing Muslim families get early on fed up to the Din...

In the family, children are expected to keep up more than their age (demands). Where Fatiha and Ikhas is enough, they are subjected to memorize Yasin and Mulk. The process continues with memorization poems that they can't understand. They become constant figure of all gatherings in their houses. They are being told "Come on son read this, read that my daughter", and are praised, are applaud, are given gifts, money.. Thus, children are spoiled/spoon-fed. Most importantly those children are not allowed to live their childhood. But then, when they reach the age to learn things, they say "I already know this!" as a result of being overly accustomed to those knowledge previously, then they go to the phase of sloth, dullness and boredom.

[lidersontop]

Let me refine my translation of the article:

Question: Why is it that the children of pious families become distant to the religion?

Answer:
- they are being fed (with knowledge) too much, too early.
- family expectations are too high that goes way above children's age
- where small Surah such as Fatiha and Ikhlas is enough, children are subjected to memorize big ones such as Yasin and Mulk
- they are subjected to memorize (meaningless to them) poems
- "Come on son read this, read that my daughter" thereof are given gifts, money being applaud and praised (more than they deserve), thus they become spoiled..
- most importantly they are not allowed to live their childhood..
- when they reach the age to learn things, they say "I already know this!" as a result of being overly accustomed to the things previously, then they undergo the phase of sloth, dullness and boredom.

These are the words of a scholar (Muhammad Fethullah Gulen) who raised and educated hundred thousands of students worldwide!

[Gogogo]

brother that was the thing i was thinking jazakallah
thats what i want to know how to teach a child in such a way he will not become fed up to deen
at some point parents start giving naseeha and do this do not do that
how to keep up balance in tarbyat ........i will listen bayan at night time
jazakallah for understanding my point

[Dogxzysl]

Bro Verdana has answered excellently, :masha:

Also, the lack of proper tarbiya is a problem. I mean, I've seen many 'religious' people treat theirs kids like **** so what do you think is gonna happen? Just the apparent religiosity of a person does not make him/her a great mother or father.

Also, TV is a major problem and so is schooling. Muslims should homeschool their children, wherever they are

[Gogogo]

Let me refine my translation of the article:

Question: Why is it that the children of pious families become distant to the religion?

Answer:
- they are being fed (with knowledge) too much, too early.
- family expectations are too high that goes way above children's age
- where small Surah such as Fatiha and Ikhlas is enough, children are subjected to memorize big ones such as Yasin and Mulk
- they are subjected to memorize (meaningless to them) poems
- "Come on son read this, read that my daughter" thereof are given gifts, money being applaud and praised (more than they deserve), thus they become spoiled..
- most importantly they are not allowed to live their childhood..
- when they reach the age to learn things, they say "I already know this!" as a result of being overly accustomed to the things previously, then they undergo the phase of sloth, dullness and boredom.

These are the words of a scholar (Muhammad Fethullah Gulen) who raised and educated hundred thousands of students worldwide!

brother where did the bayan went?????

[lidersontop]

brother where did the bayan went?????

I highly doubt I can find it among thousands of his bayans, but even if I did, it would be in Turkish language

[Gogogo]

i read some where in you post bacho ki tarbyat byan in urdu may be it is my eye illusions?
or you did post some urdu bayan?
well i think i m out of my mind today sorry

[lidersontop]

I don't know anything in Urdu, except a few common words such as Namaz and Hazrat, yet to figure out what "damat barakatuhum" mean.. So, definitely it wasn't me.