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Assalamu alaykum

I would like to learnthe basics of sufism along with the proofs that it is the truth and the correct path to folllow, i dont want a particular tarriquas methodlogy, just general info, where can i go in sheffield to learn and which books are there?

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I would recommend these three to get a general understanding.



Shaikh Ibn Taymiyyah's sharh of Futuhul Ghaib.

http://www.al-rashad.com/Commentary-...ib_p_3307.html

Shaikh Ibn Qayyim's Al-Waabilus Sayyib

http://www.al-rashad.com/Merits-of-R...ib_p_2706.html

Shaikh Muhammad Zakariyyah's Shari'ah and Tariqah (which you've probably come across already)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/25518400/Shariat-Tariqat

him* ajma'een

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I would highly recommend the english translation of Bustan al Arifin ("Garden of the Gnostics") of Imam Nawawi:

http://www.islamicbookstore.com/b9959.html

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I would recommend this book, which only has daleel over daleel to ensure no one thinks of Tassawwuf to be a bid'ah
http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/produc...oducts_id=2898

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jazak Allahu khair for the elinks, ill try to read but dont like reading online, can anyone tell me a place to visit so i can attend some talks or get some real books to read? in sheffield inshallah

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p.s. i wil see if my local bookstore has these books inshAllah

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I would recommend this book, which only has daleel over daleel to ensure no one thinks of Tassawwuf to be a bid'ah
http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/produc...oducts_id=2898

Brother, would you have any idea about as to how I could get a hold of an Arabic copy of the book?

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I would start here http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/sufitlk.htm

[gennick]

Assalamu alaykum

I would like to learnthe basics of sufism along with the proofs that it is the truth and the correct path to folllow, i dont want a particular tarriquas methodlogy, just general info, where can i go in sheffield to learn and which books are there?

a great booj is dalael us suluk by hazrat maulan allah yar khan r.a the meaning of the title is proof of suluk. this book was written in repsonse to todays world where the majority of people reject sufism, it explains every aspect of sufism from the quran and hadith.

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Tasawwuf is not a question of Algebra nor is it a concept of biology and neither is it a rationally acceptable philosophy so that it can learned. I personally think that Tasawwuf can never be learned but can be digested manually. Even that manual digestion is only possible when a person fills his mind with Aqeedat and stops questioning.

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Tasawwuf is not a question of Algebra nor is it a concept of biology and neither is it a rationally acceptable philosophy so that it can learned. I personally think that Tasawwuf can never be learned but can be digested manually. Even that manual digestion is only possible when a person fills his mind with Aqeedat and stops questioning.

these kinds of sentences dont make much sense to me although they sound very sufi if a new muslim wanted to decide whetehr sufism was the right path for him or not there would surely be a way of researching it and seeing if its teh truth or others sects like shia/salafi etc are.

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I have a tall claim when it comes to Sufism as i don't hesitate to reject it null and wide. I think that Sufism has been the main cause of the destruction of Muslim thought in the world.
As far as your research is concerned , how can you research something which is unidirectional and ambiguous. Let me give you an example.
Textually , The essence of Tasawwuf is to attain a sound understanding of the absolute reality and gain its Qurb. Three different Sufis have defined the peak of that understanding differently.
For Mansoor Hallaj , it is Hulool ( Anal Haq)
For Ibn Arabi it is Wahdat ul Wujood ( Hama oost)
For Shaykh Ahmed Sarhindi it is Wahdat us Shuhood ( Hama az oost)

Yet , for the sufis all the three claims are correct. Though they contradict each other in the philosophical realm even. Secondly , the absolute reality (Haq) must have the quality of symmetry and equivalence. How can three different people who claim to have been near to the absolute reality make three different claims about its philosophical orientation?

my question to everyone is, is this type of sufism where you become one with allah and that type of stuff the true sufism or the false sufism? If its the false sufism, where do i learn the principles of the true sufism, i dont want indepth, i want an overview so i can full understand what sufism itself actually is

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my question to everyone is, is this type of sufism where you become one with allah and that type of stuff the true sufism or the false sufism? If its the false sufism, where do i learn the principles of the true sufism, i dont want indepth, i want an overview so i can full understand what sufism itself actually is

There is no true and false sufism. The only thing is that Sufis have gradually become clever( And of-course they don't want to become Mansoor Hallaj) and they are only going to reveal the stuff you mentioned to you when they feel that you can digest it. At the beginning , they are to keep it low like they will tell you "Tasawwuf is all about Tazkyaa" , "Tasawwuf is just an apparatus which helps one reach the status of Ehsan" etc etc

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i am not a sufi scholar but it is clear that ur lack of understanding in sufism. u claim "I think that Sufism has been the main cause of the destruction of Muslim thought in the world" this is infact the complete opposite to sufism. infact it is the decline of sufism that has been the cause of dstruction of the muslim ummat. this dwstruction started after the 10 hijri. u will notice that after the 10 hijri sufis started to decline and in parrallel the ummat went down hill as well.

claiming that the sufis r the xause of the destruction and in fact it is their lack of that is the cause of destruction is just like terry jones calling islam the devil. yet we know that islam is the true teachings of hazrata isa a.s. so in essence when they call islam the devil and want to burn the quran they r infact calling the true teachings of hazta isa a.a the devil. so infact it the ones who call hazrat isa a.as teachings the devil are infact the true devils all along. but terry joines like to believe that they are the treu followers of hazrat isa .a.s. do u c my point it is quite the opposite way around.

can you prove that sufism declined in 10th century? Do you have a sufism history pdf or something for me to read?

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my question to everyone is, is this type of sufism where you become one with allah and that type of stuff the true sufism or the false sufism? If its the false sufism, where do i learn the principles of the true sufism, i dont want indepth, i want an overview so i can full understand what sufism itself actually is

this is why i mentioned about the book daleal us suluk. it give a full over view about sufism from the quran and hadith and explains all its aspects in brief, not indepth. as i explained it is simply tazkya. so how can the followerrs of the branch of tazkya bring about the destruction of the ummat and the ones who are against the followers of the branch of tazkya be its saviours.

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There is no true and false sufism. The only thing is that Sufis have gradually become clever( And of-course they don't want to become Mansoor Hallaj) and they are only going to reveal the stuff you mentioned to you when they feel that you can digest it. At the beginning , they are to keep it low like they will tell you "Tasawwuf is all about Tazkyaa" , "Tasawwuf is just an apparatus which helps one reach the status of Ehsan" etc etc

brother, u need to eject ur self from the hanbali madhab because hazrat imam ahmad bin hanbal r.a was a sufi as well. i even read a short biography of his sheikh. and people asked hazrat imam ahmed bin hanbal r.a why u who is great scholar follows a sheikh like him. he r.a replied something which i cant rememebr.

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can you prove that sufism declined in 10th century? Do you have a sufism history pdf or something for me to read?

no i dont have actuall proof in writting, it is not something documented on paper, but it is a statemt from my sheikh. it is like the hadith where the prophet pbuh said that knowldge will be removed from the ummat by death of religous people. we know that this is true but can even non sufis document the specific time when this removal occured. according to our seniors it occured straight after the 10 hijri. the destruction of the ummat u see today started in from the 10th hijri.

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secondly did u know that hazrat imam ahmad bin hanbal r.a was a sufi as well. i read a short biography of his sufi sheikh on a sufi forum.

The Shias have compiled thousands biographies of Ali Ibn Talib radiAllahu Anhu' depicting that he was a Shia.
That thread is yet open where the proof for the Sufi stuff attributed to Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jillani ra has been demanded by a brother. First prove him a Sufi , we can discuss the case of Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal rahimuhullah after that.

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There is no true and false sufism. The only thing is that Sufis have gradually become clever( And of-course they don't want to become Mansoor Hallaj) and they are only going to reveal the stuff you mentioned to you when they feel that you can digest it. At the beginning , they are to keep it low like they will tell you "Tasawwuf is all about Tazkyaa" , "Tasawwuf is just an apparatus which helps one reach the status of Ehsan" etc etc

dr ati hadithes mention about 40 abdals in syria. and the great blessings of them.
can u tell me how one becomes an abdal? ( because this rank is only attained in sufism)

and if it is not can u tell me how it is attained?

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no i dont have actuall proof in writting, it is not something documented on paper, but it is a statemt from my sheikh. it is like the hadith where the prophet pbuh said that knowldge will be removed from the ummat by death of religous people. we know that this is true but can even non sufis document the specific time when this removal occured. according to our seniors it occured straight after the 10 hijri. the destruction of the ummat u see today started in from the 10th hijri.

im really sorry bro but i just cant accept this as a methodology whereby i accept whatever the shaykh says, i really would need to see proof for things. the truth must be provable for the sincere person, Allah would never leave us to our whims and desires when he gave us intellect to research things, i came to islam through this research