[Bemapayople]

Think of a red apple. Do you see it? It's somewhere in that mind's eye screen thing somewhere in your head.

Interestingly enough, this "screen" is where hypnogogics and dreams are displayed... After focusing on it for long enough, by entraining the mind into making it the main source for visual perception, the images there become vivid enough to seem like they're right there in front of you. That's what I use to induce lucid dreams and projections... A WILD technique, also useful for phasing.

This mind's eye isn't limited to visuals, though... It is what we use whenever we visualize, as Robert explained many times -- you can feel tactile sensations (mobile body awareness), hear things (if you remember a song, a sound, a voice), taste and smell as well. Other things can manifest themselves through this pathway, a type of non-verbal communication, call it inspiration, intuition, or an epiphany.

It would appear that this "mind screen" is not merely just the brain's "center of imagination and memory recall" screen, but more like an actual gateway to our multi-dimensional consciousness, it technically has psychic properties.

My understanding was that in order to develop auric sight, or any kind of clairvoyance "of the physical eyes," you need to be able to make this mind screen vivid enough that it'll overlap with physical sight.

Now I don't know if what I'm doing is going to aid me in obtaining "open eyed astral sight" or if any of this is new, but here's things to consider:

We're often told that in order to see auras, we should look at things in an "unfocused manner" ; that we should simulate peripheral sight.

Then there's this issue with the way we look at things. Have you ever tried to observe yourself as you see a new object for the first time?

Let's say it's the first time you see an ipod. What does your brain do? The first thing it does is it looks at the ipod... And it thinks "have I seen this before?" It'll try to match the device with something you have in your memory... You might think of a game boy, or a cell phone... So that'll be about how much information you'll have... In order to specifically identify ipods from now on, you will go into a "decomposing phase" where you will look at the parts that make up the ipod and create this new entry in your memory... An ipod... White plastic, a screen, a wheel, this little button in the middle, a pair of white earphones...

Now this decomposing and learning process will never happen again. Next time you see an ipod, your brain will instantly recognize the shape. Instead of trying to identify it, it'll be like seeing a label that says "there is an ipod here."

This is the same thing with letters... Look at the astral dynamics banner at the top, and look at the letters without reading... Or try! It's impossible. The moment it goes under your eyes, there is this pattern-recognition response that happens automatically. You will never un-learn the letters.

We patternize everything. Have you ever lost something in your house only to realize that it was in plain sight the whole time? That's an example of how these patterns dominate and make up our perception -- we only notice things that are out of place, substantially different, or new... The rest is routine, unnoticeable.

The big question is... If clairvoyant sight is seated in this mind's eye... Why is it that when I look at my hand, I don't see auras and stuff in the back of my head?

The one way we can see mind's eye perception as vividly as waking perception is by going into trance... We forget about everything physical, and become our minds.

So, one would think that toning down physical perception is the way to make this "subconscious" perception come out... Yet that is not my experience. I believe many here have experienced this... A few have mentioned it.

Have you ever been in trance, in that sleepy borderline state between awake and asleep, then suddenly opened your eyes to be greeted with odd hallucinations? I've mentioned mine a few times... I've seen my room on fire, I've seen a spider running on my door and disappearing as i was looking at it. Just tonight, it happened again, I heard someone say "They're behind us, run!" and I saw this black ball in front of me with electric wires coming out stuck all over my ceiling...

Interestingly... The more it happens, the longer I can watch whatever appeared... As soon as I try and make it out or tell myself "is this real?," it slowly fades away...

So in other words... Not only can I see both "screens" at the same time... Which would mean that physical sight is not something you need to turn off completely to see mind's eye perception clearly... But also, I'm making some kind of progress! The images stay longer... Is this the beginning of clairvoyant abilities?

Now I want to explain my theory... When we speak of "unfocusing" to see the aura, it might not be so much about making things blurry... Perhaps instead, it would be to simply turn off this "pattern-recognition" engine we have in our brains which basically blocks out mind's eye perceptions from physical sight.

Why do I think this is the case? Have you ever felt this in the morning: you open your eyes... You see something, but you're not sure what it is... It actually takes a while to make out what you're seeing, until you just go "oh... that's my dresser, I'm in my room!" It can also happen if you're not sleeping at your house, and you expect to wake up in your usual bed...

Regaining consciousness would therefore be synonymous with rebuilding this "pattern screen" in our mind's eye... Kind of like reactivating the left brain (logical, patterns, etc) and covering up the right brain (intuitive, psychic, etc)...

In any case... I might be completely off with the theory, and I might not have explained it as clearly as I'm seeing it in my head... But there's definitely something intriguing about these open-eyed hypnogogics.

I'd like to get other people to experiment with this and tell me their results... What you need to do is simple:

1. Go to bed as you normally would.
2. As soon as you feel that you're drifting off, especially if you're seeing hypnogogics or phosphenes, suddenly open your eyes.
3. Record what you see and post it here. Also mention if you're making progress, if the images are lasting longer -- if you're seeing them, that is.

The goal would be to get acquainted with this dual sight, and somehow find a way to activate it at will...

A word of caution though... Since this might lead to building up the ability to hallucinate while wide awake... It might not be safe. I cannot be held responsible if you get sent to a mental institution... Especially since I might be sent to one before you do!

And of course, thanks to anyone who participates.

[strollerssfsfs]

That's interesting. I think I'll give it a try. I do get the dual screen with hypnopomps (it's easy in the am 'cause threy're already there) but never thought of trying it with hypnagogics.
Now to remember and to stay awake!

[Obebtetibre]

this all sounds very plausible to me so ill give it a try to. im quite curious what it leads to. even if it leads to halucination at will it is still fun, for example when waiting for the bus

[Bemapayople]

I came to check on this thread in my sleep, and someone had reformatted my post, put some things in bold, added titles, etc... WEIRD!

[strollerssfsfs]

It looks the same from my computer.

[Bemapayople]

I mean I had a (unconscious) dream/projection where I checked on the thread

[strollerssfsfs]

Oh. I was wondering who the 'Phantom Mod' was.

[Obebtetibre]

hmm for me it seems to be easyer if my eyes remain open all the time, because if i try to open them during light hypnogogic state nothing happens. after some time i start seeing shapes of light just like you see after some staring at the blackness in front of your closed eyes. i didnt come past this stage because my eyes start to tear and when i blink everything vanishes. but lets see where i can get with some practice. ill definately continue this.

[XKAgustin]

I came to check on this thread in my sleep, and someone had reformatted my post, put some things in bold, added titles, etc... WEIRD! Do you remember how it was formatted and how that created emphasis? You might be onto something and that dream/projection could be helping you refine your system.

[Bemapayople]

I remember trying to read, but I couldn't make out the words, unfortunately... I did check to see who had edited the post, but there was no "Last edited by..." line... Somehow I was satisfied with that... Scrolled down and saw CFTraveler's post... And went unconscious :d

[adultcheee]

The mind is good at patterns - while you didn't read the words, can you recall just where the edits were on the page? That might help ID which parts were affected.

[Kokomoxddcvcv]

kiwibonga, it's interesting that you mention the prolonged "overlapped" states; I have definitely experienced this, and more recently as I do more trance / meditation / energy work. The most common time for me to see this, is after I accidentally fall asleep during meditation, and wake up after this nap. The most common thing I have seen is my body wreathed in a bright red energy... as my aura is normally green, I assume this to be aura in a more excited state, or seeing my energy body in an expanded state. It's quite a striking sight. I've also woken up in the middle of a projection reflex and seen the same bright red "network / hive" like electric snarls of energy. I have seen red crickets on my cat. And once memorably saw this cloud of dots (like cells with little black centers) like a swarm of insects move in a mesmerizing wave pattern up through the ceiling and vanish.

When I open my eyes rapidly in the morning, I take advantage of the long "crossfade" and see the dancing white sparkles on the ceiling.

Now if only to capture that lightning in a bottle...

[antilt]

thats really well put, ive noticed this happens if i dont get enough sleep and i have to force myself awake after only an hour or two. more than once i've stared at my alarm clock and thought " that looks weird, what is that thing"

[rostpribru]

That kind of reminds me of a dream I had when I was a kid. I was chasing a group of cats that were driving a Jeep down my drive way when a lion with a huge mane jumped at me. I woke up suddenly and saw the lions head, mouth open inches from my face. Screams ensued of course. Pretty cool stuff. Wasn't the first time it happened to me either. If I recall correctly it happened at least five or six times to me in various dreams.

[Ornamiviant]

thats really well put, ive noticed this happens if i dont get enough sleep and i have to force myself awake after only an hour or two. more than once i've stared at my alarm clock and thought " that looks weird, what is that thing"

I personally believe the veil between our conscious mind and our subC gets weaker when we are tired and / or stressed, which tends to make us more "open" to paranormal things. My mother's by far "strongest" experiences happened during hangovers.

Speaking of seing things, I once saw an angel, much like in the way RB desribe it in the ad.com info-section. I am thinking about writing a post covering that experience. Would that be a good idea?

About this technique, I will totally try that out!

[Sukadrukanga]

I practiced with closed eyes first to minimize distractions and then over weeks and months began finding these visuals in the opened eye state. Now the two are incorporated. It feels like a projection of my mind's eye is blending with the outside world.

[hauptdaunnila]

Oh, I didn't see this post until just now.

I frequently do this to see what will happen when I open my eyes after seeing the vision screen. I have somewhat odd results:

1. If I was seeing things before closing my eyes, I see them again when I open my eyes after seeing the vision screen. For example, if I'm lying in bed watching white swirly things dart around the room and then close my eyes to sleep, see the vision screen after awhile, then open my eyes, I still see the white swirly things and the like.

2. If I saw nothing before closing my eyes, I see nothing when I open them after seeing the vision screen.

What I see doesn't seem to be affected by the vision screen. Interesting that someone else was thinking about this tactic!

[Rexaviennatutr]

I've definitely had that overlap before too. I woke up one morning to see a black kitten form running into my room and hop up on the dresser. Rockie (my kittie) had been playing with him. Another time I saw a very large astral bug crawling on my closet door. That one was not as fun as the the cat.

The most memorable OBE activity I have ever had I was open eyed and saw, quite clearly, a tiny train going around the perimeter of my bed. It was very strange because I was open eyed!

A few weeks ago I was having moments of seeing astral wildlife while awake and no where near sleep. Wonder why. I was having headaches a lot during that time...

There is a moment for me though, after I have fallen asleep for about an hour or so. I will wake up and feel like my head is strobing. I see tons of silvery sparkles everywhere that seem to throb a bit. Not sure what that is, but it does seem to happen quite often.

Does anyone have a links to information explaining hypnogogia, hypnopomp and other related terms? I have no idea what these are.

Your post is very interesting, Kiwi. Makes me wonder about being able to see that which your mind has not conceived of before - similar to what was said in What the Bleep - about the natives not being able to see the ships because it was not within their scope of experience. Not entirely sure about that though, but, I do think there might be something to it.

[Bemapayople]

BUMP!

Long time no see!

I've reached a new development yesterday, I thought I'd share it here.

It seems that hypnogogics are not actually the mind's eye coming to the foreground... Instead, hypnogogics are unconscious, wherehas the mind's eye is conscious, and they can coexist without interfering with each other. I don't know where hypnogogics come from anymore! If there's such a thing as a supernatural mind screen that exists at least in part outside of the brain, this may be it...

I've gotten to a point where I can close my eyes, "stare into the void," and see moving pictures. They're extremely lively and animated... I can hear sounds from them, I can read text in them, and they're almost invariably things that I have never seen before. I can actually control my point of view in them and look at people's faces, look around at the place I'm in, etc... All while I'm awake.

But one particularity of this is that, while it's extremely easy to make pictures appear, and to control certain aspects of them, choosing what you see and hear is nearly impossible... They'll come to you, but you don't come to them. I'm working on it, but so far it's been very difficult to get anything to appear that even remotely has the slightest thing to do with what you're trying to make appear!

It's like the picture you choose falls into the conscious mind's eye dead-end, while the unconscious hypnogogics do whatever the heck they want! Of course, the mind's eye pictures and sounds are directly controlled and easy to make appear, but slightly harder to make persistent, and definitely not vivid; they're in the background, not "right in front of your eyes."

I also noticed something interesting... Depending on what direction my physical eyes are pointing, different effects happen. It seems that looking towards the top right makes the images extremely vivid, but not very fluid. Looking to the left will cause the images to be very animated, but filmsy.

It's difficult to describe, because it's so random, and also, it occurs while in a light trance, so memory is kind of stunted...

And so yesterday I tried the "open eyes while seeing hypnogogics" trick.. First I was reading a paper that looked like a subscription form for a magazine... I could see many different pieces of text that would keep changing as I was reading them. I found that the trick to reading them was to glance once and then process, without trying to physically read, otherwise letters get replaced and words stop making sense.

Then I looked to the top left, and there was a new scene. I saw a yellow car parked in an alley, and a man dressed in checkered green and white clothes with a baseball cap was running, jumped over the hood of the car... At that moment I opened my eyes and looked at the walls... It was pretty cool... My walls were covered with this perfectly aligned grid of glowing bluish white wires, they looked like they were made of electricity. I looked around and tried to keep them there by doing the exact same thing I did ("staring into the void") with eyes closed to make hypnogogics appear, and when I moved my head to look, the wires did not follow, they stayed on the walls, as though they were actually physical and not an overlay on my physical sight... I tried to unfocus to make them fade away (for some reason, I felt insecure, I needed to make sure I was still awake and alive, if that makes sense!) and they did just that. Later, I saw various pixelated circles forming on the walls, moving around like bacteria under a microscope.

So um... I'll keep you guys posted on this!

[BurdenRobert]

Kiwibonga wrote

"Interestingly enough, this "screen" is where hypnogogics and dreams are displayed... After focusing on it for long enough, by entraining the mind into making it the main source for visual perception, the images there become vivid enough to seem like they're right there in front of you. That's what I use to induce lucid dreams and projections... A WILD technique, also useful for phasing. "

Specifically, is there a technique you use to focus on the screen and entrain the mind?