[Proodustommor]

CAN A WELL BRED DOG, SEEM/BECOME LIKE AN ILL BRED DOG, BY THE WAY ITS RAISED??



Same dog, different scenarios.

1. The pup goes home with one who has owned the breed before. Raised the dog with some light training and normal boundries. to become what it was said to become. A healthly, well balanced, good tempermental APBT.


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2. Dog goes home with One who has never owned this breed, but wanted a 'big bad Pit bull'. Not giving the dog what it needs.... no socializing, an ass whoopin every day when it pisses in the house..exc. (you know the 'type')

Could this well bred dog, become unstable?

or maybe even

3. Lets say this One Had the young pup gieven to him by his sister, who couldnt afford to care for the pup.
He doesnt know much, and doesnt really care to learn anything. Kinda annoyed with even having to take responibility for the dog. Always rough housing with the dog, creating the dog to start nipping for 'fun'.
Not many boundries for dog to follow.
Not purposely raising the dog wrong, But just clueless on what types of boundries and training that they need.


Can you take a dog that was bred 'right' and raise it 'wrong' for it to become unstable.


Hope you udnerstand my question..lol. Kinda hard to explain. I am just curious to your opinions.

(sorry for any typos I am on my phone)

[scewLacysmazy]

Any dog has the potential of becoming unstable due to improper handling despite it's breeding.

[Munccoughe]

Having lived with two rescue dogs... I would say it depends on the breeding/dog.

My dog Lily I know was smacked around and dumped and had no manners training (aside from knowing how to shake hands).... she recovered very quickly from her ordeal and is a very normal dogs.
Whereas I know more about Scout's background. She was born into rescue and has pretty crappy genetics. I am not impressed with how that "rescue" was run nor the temperament of the related adults they allowed to placed. Scout had two well meaning, but ill-equiped owners prior to me. She was a hot mess when I got her. She's changed a lot for the better, but will never be totally "normal". I think she'd be a lot different (for the better) if I'd raised her from a pup, but still would have her issues because of her genetics. Of course I never would pay what that first adopter paid for such a crap bred rescue puppy. She was never abused (other than chewed on by toddlers) and still was very screwed up by her previous owners.

I know some adopters that ruined a really nice Siberian. Made her a resource guarder and all sorts of fun things. I knew this dog before and after and it is NOT the dog that is the problem there.

A well bred APBT pup on the other hand? I think it would depend ont he dog. Dogs aren't stupid and some real bull headed APBT's could become warped by a bad person. For the most part though, it hink they would be pretty hard to screw up because a good one is so freaking bomb proof.
Your scenarios:
1. Will have a great life and be a great dog.
2. Will have a sad life and probably end up being discarded for not fitting the "scary" bill.
3. Will be dumped at the shelter because it was never taught manners.

Now if you take a breed like BC or GSD and put the dog in those same situations....
1. Will have a great life and be a great dog.
2. Will be a legal liability and a dangerous dog. These dogs are less forgiving. The result would depend on if well bred meant showlines or working lines....
3. The dog will probably end up and dumped at the shelter and have really annoying obsessive behaviors from not having its working drive met. Probably destructive to home/yard as well.

[ThekvandoVideo]

In my opinion yes, you can take a well bred dog and make it mean. I think it has less to do with ass whippings than it does boundries. Furmommies are way more dangerous in this respect than a guy that is hard on his dogs or even misdirected on how he raises it. You can completely ingnore a dog and be way better off than if you baby it and let it push you around.

[DOWNLOADnowADOBEphotoSHOP]

IMO most dog temperament issues are owner related. You can definitely ruin a dog with the wrong owner. Be it lack of lack of training, no boundaries, abuse, neglect.
But at the same time, take a badly bred dog and socialize the crap out of it/good training and still have a dog with weak nerves.

I see dogs everyday that were PERFECT puppies at 8 weeks old, and within a few months the pup is now a nasty little biter because its owner treats it like a baby and lets it do whatever it wants.

Or even doesn't know what to do when the dog starts biting and unknowingly encourages it by backing off when it starts snapping at them. This leads to the dog biting people because it learns that if I bite people they stop doing what I dont like. That is something the dog learns, not knowledge it is born with.

[Munccoughe]

I think it has less to do with ass whippings than it does boundries. Furmommies are way more dangerous in this respect than a guy that is hard on his dogs or even misdirected on how he raises it. You can completely ingnore a dog and be way better off than if you baby it and let it push you around.

Yes, you said this waaaay more concisely than I did.

[Flerdourdyged]

I think if a dog is raised wrong it could become unstable BUT if it has stability in it and then after it was raised it was given the structure it needed, say the beaten one was taken away and learned how everyone is not ganna beat it. the nipper was taught boundaries and such it could find stability

[RG3rGWcA]

Depends on your definition of unstable.

If by unstable you mean genetically unstable; like say a truely HA dog...then no I don't think you can create that kind of instability.

However if you mean behaviorally unstable...then yes, absolutely I agree, environment and experience can influence behavior and undesirable, unstable, dysfunctional behaviors can be learned.

The difference for me is that learned behaviors can (if someone is inclined to put in the time and dedication) be unlearned or at least modified through training, counter-conditioning, desensitization yadda yadda...whereas genetic instability is simply physiological...maybe it can be medicated...but it will always be there.

[MasdMnPa]

Depends on your definition of unstable.

If by unstable you mean genetically unstable; like say a truely HA dog...then no I don't think you can create that kind of instability.

However if you mean behaviorally unstable...then yes, absolutely I agree, environment and experience can influence behavior and undesirable, unstable, dysfunctional behaviors can be learned.

The difference for me is that learned behaviors can (if someone is inclined to put in the time and dedication) be unlearned or at least modified through training, counter-conditioning, desensitization yadda yadda...whereas genetic instability is simply physiological...maybe it can be medicated...but it will always be there.

This.

[Yinekol]

In my opinion yes, you can take a well bred dog and make it mean. I think it has less to do with ass whippings than it does boundries. Furmommies are way more dangerous in this respect than a guy that is hard on his dogs or even misdirected on how he raises it. You can completely ingnore a dog and be way better off than if you baby it and let it push you around.

This!!!!!

[Zesavenue]

Catchrcall pretty much nailed it, people who think beating a dog makes it mean don't really understand dogs. Depending on the dog it may make it fearful and it's response to that fear may be interpreted by some as it being mean.

Unstable? Depending on what a particular person considers stable, easy enough to do by simply not providing the dog with any sense of where it fits in its home, what the rules are, etc. The lack of boundaries he speaks of.

What I find really odd about the people who want a "bad ass dog" and think beating and mistreating is the way to accomplish it is that the real "bad ass" dogs, the one's trained for home defense, guarding, etc. are not beaten and mistreated to make them what they are. For lack of a better term for it let's call them the "ghetto dogmen" and their methods of "training" can be referred to as the psychology of stupid.

[ENGINESSQ]

In my opinion yes, you can take a well bred dog and make it mean. I think it has less to do with ass whippings than it does boundries. Furmommies are way more dangerous in this respect than a guy that is hard on his dogs or even misdirected on how he raises it. You can completely ingnore a dog and be way better off than if you baby it and let it push you around.

Depends on your definition of unstable.

If by unstable you mean genetically unstable; like say a truely HA dog...then no I don't think you can create that kind of instability.

However if you mean behaviorally unstable...then yes, absolutely I agree, environment and experience can influence behavior and undesirable, unstable, dysfunctional behaviors can be learned.

The difference for me is that learned behaviors can (if someone is inclined to put in the time and dedication) be unlearned or at least modified through training, counter-conditioning, desensitization yadda yadda...whereas genetic instability is simply physiological...maybe it can be medicated...but it will always be there.

These summed it up pretty well.

[StivRichardOff]

Dogs with idiot owners trying to make them tough, and letting them run rampant and such are far more dangerous than folks who raise dogs without boundaries in my opinion. I say this because I've worked with so many dogs who were just never taught squat, and none were "unstable".

But I would think yes, an idiot owner can make a well bred dog become unstable.