[kvitacencia]

So you're annoyed at people breeding shit dogs, and you want to breed shit (unproven) dogs. Sounds like a plan. Go for it.

What do you mean, unproven? You mean in show, or in sport?

I think breeding dogs that are good household pets is just as important as breeding dogs that are good at sports...not sure if that's what you meant by that.

[Carfanate]

What do you mean, unproven? You mean in show, or in sport?

I think breeding dogs that are good household pets is just as important as breeding dogs that are good at sports...not sure if that's what you meant by that.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Every time I hear someone say "I'm breeding my pet" I want to slap them. Do you realize how many PETS are dying in shelters right now? So you want to breed your worthless unproven (in ANYTHING) cur mutt bullshit dogs, and make more?

[kvitacencia]

Let me guess ... I bet your female isn't spayed ... she gets compliments all the time about how pretty she is and you want her to be your "kennels" foundation dog. You're just looking for a "champion" male to breed her to.

Am I close?

Not at all. She's not spayed, but I do not want to breed her either. She isn't papered, and doesn't have the bloodline I am looking for. Again, I am not looking to breed right now. And if I do, it will be a hobby. I will try to breed good household animals, not sports animals. But that's many years from now....right now I am looking for a perfect male that we will buy sometimes towards March of next year.

But no, the female I have now, I do not want to breed her at all.

[gagagaridze]

You own a turd, you're looking at more turds, and you will inevitably breed turds should you ever breed. You're a green horn who doesn't know the first thing about the breed, much less about breeding quality animals. It's turds such as yourself that are the problem with this breed. Sad but true.

[SallyIsNice5]

here is a taste of what you need to do before breeding even if you don't compete in anything...if you want to do right by the breed and your dogs (when you get them)

these used to be stickies so it has taken me some time to find them

Health Testing... Doesn't Mean Just a Yearly Vet Check

Breeder Code of Ethics

Points To Consider Before Breeding Your Dog

I can't find the one about females but there are a LOT of things that can happen to a female and her pups that involve death of all or death of pups or death of mom...its really sad and something anyone thinking of breeding should know and be prepared for

[kvitacencia]

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Every time I hear someone say "I'm breeding my pet" I want to slap them. Do you realize how many PETS are dying in shelters right now? So you want to breed your worthless unproven (in ANYTHING) cur mutt bullshit dogs, and make more?

So you suggest I go and get an animal from a shelter, that I know nothing about? I'm not against getting from shelters, but not for what i am trying to do. And you said I want to breed my "unproven (in ANYTHING)" animals? No, my animals will be wonderful, socially skilled family pets, why do you think I am looking so hard for a male with great genes? I am not looking for just any dog, which is why I posted this thread in the first place, to ask about bullshit breeders. To show you the ridiculousness of the "breeders" around me. You are jumping my throat because you think I am trying to do the same thing. I am not.

[SallyIsNice5]

barbara...just so you know many ethical breeders don't have websites (points at boogieman)

I understand that, the other one was a real trip, but it was comical, think they finally got banned Viki had to close like 4 different threads

[kvitacencia]

You own a turd, you're looking at more turds, and you will inevitably breed turds should you ever breed. You're a green horn who doesn't know the first thing about the breed, much less about breeding quality animals. It's turds such as yourself that are the problem with this breed. Sad but true.

What you said makes no sense. How am I looking at more turds?

THE LINKS I POSTED ABOVE ARE NOT BREEDERS I AM LOOKING TO BUY FROM. I WAS POSTING THEM SO THAT YOU GUYS COULD LAUGH AT HOW RIDICULOUS THEY ARE WITH ME, got it?

Don't say a damn thing about my current dog. I am not looking to breed her, and she is not purebred, but that does not make her worthless, AT ALL. She is a wonderful, sweet amazing dog, and I advise you to watch your mouth about it.

I do know a good bit about the breed. You obviously don't know how to read. I am still learning, but everyone here seems to think that the links above are breeders that I plan to buy from...that's not it.

[gagagaridze]

barbara...just so you know many ethical breeders don't have websites (points at boogieman)

Yeah I've had 1000 people ask me why I don't. Answer........not a fucking peddler! Only place dogs with folks that deserve them. Only breed when I want another dog, not just to make more puppies for dumbasses.

[kvitacencia]

here is a taste of what you need to do before breeding even if you don't compete in anything...if you want to do right by the breed and your dogs (when you get them)

these used to be stickies so it has taken me some time to find them

Health Testing... Doesn't Mean Just a Yearly Vet Check

Breeder Code of Ethics

Points To Consider Before Breeding Your Dog

I can't find the one about females but there are a LOT of things that can happen to a female and her pups that involve death of all or death of pups or death of mom...its really sad and something anyone thinking of breeding should know and be prepared for

Thanks for the information. That was my intentions with this thread. To learn more about breeders and the how to. Thanks.

[SallyIsNice5]

yep, and your stock is some of the best in the breed, I know I could not handle one, but I sure enjoy looking at them

[Blellurgews]

Sorry but you are planning to do the same thing as the shit breeders around you. Like hte others have said, there are plenty of pet quality dogs in shelters, hell even on craigslist. If breeding pet quality dogs is your only reason for breeding then you should forget about breeding. Leave the breeding up to the people that know what they are doing and putting out quality dogs. There are plenty of people out there breeding great dogs and there is no need for you to go and breed sub par dogs to make a buck under the guise of pet quality dogs. Besides, pet quality dogs should be spay /neutered.

[MannyLopez]

Okay ... but you have much to learn. I hope you have a thick skin and can stick around and learn. You're thinking of breeding for all the wrong reasons and have no idea what a worthy breeding is. You have no idea what an APBT is and you have no idea how over population by breeding for all the wrong reasons is filling every shelter and rescue in this country ... and placing animals into hands of irresponsible people who do the same shit over again.

[gagagaridze]

What you said makes no sense. How am I looking at more turds?

THE LINKS I POSTED ABOVE ARE NOT BREEDERS I AM LOOKING TO BUY FROM. I WAS POSTING THEM SO THAT YOU GUYS COULD LAUGH AT HOW RIDICULOUS THEY ARE WITH ME, got it?

Don't say a damn thing about my current dog. I am not looking to breed her, and she is not purebred, but that does not make her worthless, AT ALL. She is a wonderful, sweet amazing dog, and I advise you to watch your mouth about it.

I do know a good bit about the breed. You obviously don't know how to read. I am still learning, but everyone here seems to think that the links above are breeders that I plan to buy from...that's not it.

First of all if calling a turd a turd gets you upset, well that's your problem not mine. Second of all if you know so much about the breed and can't find a quality dog in LA, well then that just goes to show how much you know.......which is NOTHING!

yep, and your stock is some of the best in the breed, I know I could not handle one, but I sure enjoy looking at them

Thanks Yeah you could. You've been around long enough to know the rights and wrongs. Sad thing is it's not rocket science, but you sure as hell would think it is by reading some of the dribble on these forums.

[Carfanate]

So you suggest I go and get an animal from a shelter, that I know nothing about? I'm not against getting from shelters, but not for what i am trying to do. And you said I want to breed my "unproven (in ANYTHING)" animals? No, my animals will be wonderful, socially skilled family pets, why do you think I am looking so hard for a male with great genes? I am not looking for just any dog, which is why I posted this thread in the first place, to ask about bullshit breeders. To show you the ridiculousness of the "breeders" around me. You are jumping my throat because you think I am trying to do the same thing. I am not.

No, I don't suggest you go get a shelter dog. If you want a dog from a breeder, go get one. But what's the point in breeding an unproven dog? Yeah, it's a good pet, sure, so that's your excuse to produce worthless shit curs. I could go get a dog from a shelter that makes a good "pet" and say, shit, this is a great pet! I'mma breed it! And produce more shit to kill innocent shelter dogs. Right. Go for it. Good for you. You're a worthless backyard breeder. Only PROVEN dogs (and that doesn't include "good pets", that's stupid as hell) should be bred.

If I want a pet, I'm going to get it from a breeder who worked or showed his dogs. If I don't do any sport with it, or show it, I won't breed it, no matter if it's the best damn pet dog in the world. What's the fucking point in that? You're just producing trash.

[Sttim]

Not at all. She's not spayed, but I do not want to breed her either. She isn't papered, and doesn't have the bloodline I am looking for. Again, I am not looking to breed right now. And if I do, it will be a hobby. I will try to breed good household animals, not sports animals. But that's many years from now....right now I am looking for a perfect male that we will buy sometimes towards March of next year.

But no, the female I have now, I do not want to breed her at all.

Then just say what bloodline you are looking for, quit beating around the bush.

[Carfanate]

By the way, I suggest you go to an ADBA show. Tell the people there you want to breed your piece of shit unproven mess and see what they have to say.

[kvitacencia]

I'm still confused.
You think the only reason to breed is to breed for sport, is that what you mean?

When it has been proven that badly bred APBT's are more prone to be dog-aggressive, you would think that you would be a little more positive about someone who wants to breed them correctly. I don't want to breed for sport. I want to breed simply to PRESERVE THE ACTUAL BREED.

My reasons will be to breed ACTUAL APBT's that fit the breed standard. Not this shit that people are breeding nowadays that are short, fat, stocky, and riddles with joint problems because of the excess muscle. I want to get back to the APBT original standard which so many people are straying from...

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I don't know what bloodline. I'm still learning about that. Again, that was the point of this post. I'm still learning about the bloodlines.

And I'm seriously sick of the people on here calling my current dog names. That's an asshole move, for sure. I have already stated that I do not plan to breed her, yet a couple of you on here continue to drill and needle her. Her name is Chevelle, she is six months old, and a wonderful animal. Pretty sad that you are aggrivated at me, and target my puppy which has nothing to do with the breeding I want to do years from now.

[chuecfafresslds]

When it has been proven that badly bred APBT's are more prone to be dog-aggressive,

No, being poorly bred has nothing to do with dog aggression. APBT's are prone to it,it's what they do,what they were bred for.

[gagagaridze]

Give it up everybody. It's useless. This lady doesn't know shit from shineola about this breed, or breeding, or the breed standard she claims she wants to preserve. Many stinky turds are in the crystal ball that is clear. All we can do is hope all these pet homes get tired of them quickly and they end up being euthed as quickly as possible. Either that or she gets a taste of what all can go wrong during a whelping. Maybe cost her a few thousand dollars, or better yet the death of her bitch cuz she wouldn't spend the money.

Yeah I know I'm so mean