[seawolferr]

Maybe she used the word waddle as a descriptive word in place of the word sway? Its all in ones perception and ability to describe what they see isnt it?

Some people look for the negative in every post to try to make others look bad as it makes them feel better about themselves, it never ceases to amaze me and if you follow some of the members posts you see it again and again...

Water of the ducks back is all I can say, lol.

NGK

I'm going with this post. Well said. Maybe she meant wiggle or whatever. Must we dissect everything?

[elton]

No pedigree = no purebred

[Andromino]

i find it a form of education, because if thats dissecting (asking what that meant cause ive never seen a good dog "waddle") we (meaning all of us) dissect everything in this forum.

[anxpuna]

i find it a form of education, because if thats dissecting (asking what that meant cause ive never seen a good dog "waddle") we (meaning all of us) dissect everything in this forum. Thank you.....

[bQXHsKzS]

Well, to educate a little here.....Ad Shannon .....Gottie is not an American Pit Bull Terrier nor a "Pit Bull" Gottie lines are American Bullies ...

NGK....That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard, no real dog men would allow someone they do not know to just come work their yard for free or otherwise.

My advice even though it is off topic if your looking for a purebred APBT go to some shows hang out and meet people, do your research before buying a pup...

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NGK, do you have a problem with me? If that comment was in reference to my post let me know.

I am just using my perception and seeing things my own way Carla, I didn't mean to offend anyone and if I did im sorry. I can see what some members are doing and maybe its just their nature to act the way they do, I myself will always look to help educate (if I can) those that are new to the breed and hopefully do it in a positive way.

NGK

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No pedigree = no purebred

I agree cliff but it doesn't matter if the ped is from the ADBA,UKC or hand written by the breeder, its all about trusting the source.

NGK

[anxpuna]

I am just using my perception and seeing things my own way Carla, I didn't mean to offend anyone and if I did im sorry. I can see what some members are doing and maybe its just their nature to act the way they do, I myself will always look to help educate (if I can) those that are new to the breed and hopefully do it in a positive way.

NGK


Lets get back on topic please......

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[GuitarLoverBe]

I think the term American Pit Bull Terrier (ABPT) is too loosely used to identify a dog. And while I don't like it at all, I understand the general publics wide use of the moniker.

If a GSD looks like a GSD ... then "you" would call it a GSD. Same is true with every other breed. Regardless of origin or pedigree, if a dog looks like a representation of that breed whether it be GSD or Beagle or Labrador Retriever and all breeds in between. If it looks like a "duck" ... that's what "you" would call it.

Maybe the problem with APBT's is that there are at least 2 registries that recognize a dog with that breed name, while within the standards of each registry, the apparently preferred structure of the dog varies somewhat. And while most breeds come in a specific coat color combination and marking ... the ABPT varies quite a bit. Of course there is also an often quite similar looking breed ... the AST. For everydayman, it become quite confusing.

I would never refer to my buddy boy, Rowdy, as an American Pit Bull Terrier but lots of non-breed-savvy folks do. Rowdy is from unknown origin and pedigree. He may never have had a registered dog in his pedigree. If you were to call Rowdy an APBT, I would attempt to correct you. I usually just call him a bulldawg but will reluctantly allow "pit bull" although Rowdy has never and never will see a box. Plus "reluctantly" because the term "pit bull" is associated with the only breed containing those two words ... the APBT.

Rowdy is a mutt in the sense that he is similar to what dogs were or might have been before registries created the APBT name. Prior to registries identifying a breed of dog as the APBT ... neither dogmen nor anyone else used that specific term (APBT) to identify their pit bulls or bulldogs or bull/terrier mix or whatever other term was in vogue. It's impossible to apply a breed moniker to Rowdy because I can see conformation traits of APBT, AST and yes, in the right light, a drop or two of SBT.

IMO, the only proper use of the term APBT is applied to a purebred and registered dog. After all, that is a registry name. While the public and MSM will call all other dog of similar characteristics "pit bull", much in the same way the GP and MSM hyphenate other breed names ... Lab for example, I prefer to call MY dog a bulldog or bull and terrier mix.

What is wrong in my mind is that folks will get a dog of unknown origin and pedigree from a rescue or shelter which generally, seldom never refers to listed dogs as "American Pit Bull Terrier" ... get the dog home and all of a sudden the dogs BECOMES an American Pit Bull Terrier. How about if you have one of these dogs and prefer to use APBT to identify the dog ... add the term "mix" please. Also, if you insist on calling your Ambully or bully type dog, an APBT ... please add "mix" to it. If the dog came from the streets or a BYB it's likely a mix too.

Yet, it's all just a matter of semantics. Breed names matter little to legislators, MSM and the general public. They realize there is ambiguity in favored structure, color and markings across breed registries and prefer to lump all dogs together that look like a "duck" ... and waddle Lol.

[CymnMaync]

I own 6 purebred APBT and show them all and have never seen a waddle, I agree with the bad rear problem if they do. Now I also own 5 American Bullies and they all waddle ...LMBO....Not sure what this was suppose to mean "Most people have no idea what they have on their hands until something bad happens and everyone else labels them and APBT" So if it waddles it is an APBT? I am not sure what shows you are attending but I am almost positive if you told a show person their dog waddles they would be highly offended.....


There you go Joe.....the answer to your question.....it is a "pit bull" if it waddles LMBO

Yeah, thats obviously what I mean. OBVIOUSLY.

Around here, everyone seems to believe that the gotti line is an APBT. I gave up long ago trying to convince them otherwise. I just know its not my favorite.

[Xzmwskxn]

Everybody Knows

[CymnMaync]

Maybe she used the word waddle as a descriptive word in place of the word sway? Its all in ones perception and ability to describe what they see isnt it?

Some people look for the negative in every post to try to make others look bad as it makes them feel better about themselves, it never ceases to amaze me and if you follow some of the members posts you see it again and again...

Water of the ducks back is all I can say, lol.

NGK

I tried sway. It didnt work there either. LOL

What I am trying to put across is a pit has a different gait then a lab (just an example calm down)

[Indoendris]

NGK....That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard, no real dog men would allow someone they do not know to just come work their yard for free or otherwise.


Shhhhhh.....Don't encourage him.

[GuitarLoverBe]

Wiggle butt, waddle ... whatever ... same difference

[CymnMaync]

Ok first off, just saying, I do not feel like I have been dissected, I dont have a issue with anyone talking back and forth between posts...while I agree to some extent that dissecting every sentence isnt really necessary, to some extent it is. Its the internet....sometimes what we say doesnt come out how you meant it to. Its very difficult sometimes to put into words what you are trying to express. Questions that are sincere can come out sarcastic, some one can come off as mad when they arent and the erroneous use of a word like "waddle" doesnt get your point across......it may be a small thing to some people, maybe they dont notice it. I have to much time on my hands and I notice it but its difficult for me to describe in a way that doesnt make every dog sound like they are two steps away from needing a total hip replacement LOL. I got a tough skin on me, an if I have a issue with ya, Ill be the first one to PM you with a huge "F*CK YOU" in the subject line haha

Back on topic, I agree with Joe, it is a VERY loosely used term, however I think that all of us could look at a dog, and give an edumacted guess as to whether the dog, based on looks has some pit in there. Again however I would urge people to use more caution with their dogs. Your dog could look nothing like a pit bull to us, but if it even slightly looks that way and something bad happens, its a pit in the news.

Secondly there are now registrys like this http://pitbullregistry.com/ that you can go to, submit a picture and a panel of "experts" will determine if your dog is purebred or not. You can actually start your own whole line off of this!!!! Purebred, IMHO in this particular breed isnt out there. There are lines that we recognize and we hold to a higher standard, but correct me if I am wrong, the AKC doesnt even recognize the APBT as a breed. It recognizes the AmStaff only

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Wiggle butt, waddle ... whatever ... same difference

Not to some people apparently.

[bQXHsKzS]

Lets get back on topic please......

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NP Carla, next time don't ask. But you my dear were the 1st to wander off topic and over analize another posters use of descriptive words, reread this thread and tell me who is off topic.

To JoeBingo,

An APBT is a dog that shows all of the qualities of the breed gameness being the 1st quality, if someone has a dog with gameness 1st that also conforms to the show standard of the breed then I would say YES it is an APBT.

[GuitarLoverBe]

Oh sheet, "gameness" again now. In theory, I agree with you 100% NGK. That is the ideal. However, you and I both know that in todays world, there are dozens (hundreds?) of ADBA Grand Champions that have never been tested. Since we don't know if they have gameness or not, does that mean they aren't APBT. Of course not. But if gameness is the 1st thing to look for these days ... good luck. Acting a fool in the show ring ain't gameness. And then if you want to go to weight pull, dock diving or whatever "sport" you choose and/or hunting to validate gameness ... well that's a whole nother thread.

On the other hand, my mind tends to wander sometimes and in that wandering I can clearly see the gamest dog that ever lived perhaps and neither his handler nor owner called him an American Pit Bull Terrier. He was a bulldawg, a bull and terrier mix.

[Xcqjwarl]

I don't think a dog needs a pedigree to be a purebred.

[elton]

I don't think a dog needs a pedigree to be a purebred.

what does it need then. A square head? lmbo.

[Xcqjwarl]

what does it need then. A square head? lmbo.

Funny.

[GuitarLoverBe]

Hey Tahlia !!! How are things in OZ?
I don't think there's any way possible to know if a dog is purebred or not without a pedigree. In fact, I'm just about positive it wouldn't be and/or most certainly no way of knowing to say without a doubt.

But again, in a sense I understand what you're trying to say I think. How often have we seen a GSD or Lab that LOOKS purebred but is so common and so often from BYBs there is seldom a pedigree.

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*what you said doesn't make any sense and I'm just trying to keep folks from piling on ya*

[Zebrabitch]

You are so thoughtful, Joe :3