[esconsise]

Just curious didnt know all the facts about ambullies thought they were badly bred pits bred for size. what would you class ceaser milans dog Daddy? And where does the line start when it changes from pit to ambull?

[Sopsneork]

Without seeing Daddy's Ped no one can tell either way. I can't remember what he looks like so sorry no comment on that.

As for when do they cross from pit to ambully I am not sure anyone can give you an answer. Some will say certain lines are Am Bully others say they are pit and some say it depends. Because most breeders are unwilling to admit they have used other dogs in the breeding to create larger dogs it is next to impossible to know who's telling the truth about the dogs parentage and who's lying.

[gDGwm8BC]

He looked like an ambully to me.

[esconsise]

Without seeing Daddy's Ped no one can tell either way. I can't remember what he looks like so sorry no comment on that.

As for when do they cross from pit to ambully I am not sure anyone can give you an answer. Some will say certain lines are Am Bully others say they are pit and some say it depends. Because most breeders are unwilling to admit they have used other dogs in the breeding to create larger dogs it is next to impossible to know who's telling the truth about the dogs parentage and who's lying.

So these 15" 105lb "APBT's" are cross breeds not just a defect in the breed?

[igs00r]

105 lb. dogs are most likely not APBTs they are Ambullies. He was an Ambully I think.

[Flistelib]

Daddy looked Bully and as far as APBT's and AMBullies they are two different breeds all together...

American Pit Bull Terrier, Pit Bulls, Pitbulls

American Bully Information and Pictures, Am Bullies

[Chito]

Daddy looked Bully and as far as APBT's and AMBullies they are two different breeds all together...

American Pit Bull Terrier, Pit Bulls, Pitbulls

American Bully Information and Pictures, Am Bullies

I would use something other than those sites as a reference to the breed. The first one has what looks like APBTs and Am Bully in the pics but they say their all Pit bulls. Since when does the standard weight of an APBT range from 22 - 110 lbs.

As for the Am Bully they only have pics of Pockets, not all Am Bullys are between 17 - 21 inches in Height. It doesn't say anything about the other classes.


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For me,...I would say that Daddy was an Am Bully. But I would love to see pics of him when he was younger, with not as much weight on him.

[theonsushv]

I can recall reading somewhere that Redman had said that daddy was of camelot blood, and not the matchdog variety, which made him a bully, which suits the look of him.

[Flistelib]

I would use something other than those sites as a reference to the breed. The first one has what looks like APBTs and Am Bully in the pics but they say their all Pit bulls. Since when does the standard weight of an APBT range from 22 - 110 lbs. I have seen some Dagger blood APBT weigh 100lbs and more see them at ADBA and AADR weight pull events all the time and there is a thread here that talks about them Dagger Dogs - Breeder Discussion.

The sites I listed was to show that we are talking about two different breeds period. I own both breeds and am well aware of the differences. O, and "pit bull" is not a breed

[Chito]

I have seen some Dagger blood APBT weigh 100lbs and more see them at ADBA and AADR weight pull events all the time and there is a thread here that talks about them Dagger Dogs - Breeder Discussion.

The sites I listed was to show that we are talking about two different breeds period. I own both breeds and am well aware of the differences. O, and "pit bull" is not a breed

First of all I didn't say Pit bull was a breed, its in the title of the link You posted. Of which they called everything on there Pit bulls and or Pit bull Terriers, which is questionable to say the least.

Second,...I mentioned the Standard weight of an APBT from the link you posted.
Height: 18-22 inches (46-56 cm)
Weight: 22 -110 pounds (10-50 kg)

Yes both ADBA and AADR mention a Height to Weight ratio but 18 -22 ins @ 22 - 110 lbs wouldn't qualify. 22 ins @ 110 lbs and you wanna call that an APBT. Even on the low end of 22 ins @ 22 lbs,... Stop it. Even the thread you once again posted about Dagger dogs,..yes they are also questionable.

Third, I was suggesting using a reference with more depth. As if this isn't confusing and blurred enough for people that actually know even a little some thing about the breeds.

Fourth and foremost I have both as well.

[VZF74G0M]

HEIGHT AND WEIGHT
The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Very Serious Fault: Excessively large or overly massive dogs.

thats from the ukc i dont think 110 pounds is a apbt sounds bully to me

[Flistelib]

Fourth and foremost I have both as well. Really??? Cool then I will leave it to you to find a better link to post up to help others. Problem is there is not a lot of website out there that explain the differences at least not accurate information, I used the fastest thing I could find at the moment.

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Even the thread you once again posted about Dagger dogs,..yes they are also questionable. I did not read that thread, but Dagger is recognized by the ADBA and AADR I have seen many of them at weight pulls and they are absolutely beautiful

[Chito]

It's understandable, even ABKC standards are shoddy. Then you have people doing stuff like this

http://alabamaironpitbulls.com/dogs/...20x%20kuma.jpg

and still calling and selling them as APBTs or Pit bulls. It's no wonder why so many people are confused and have to ask what they really have.

[esconsise]

It's understandable, even ABKC standards are shoddy. Then you have people doing stuff like this

http://alabamaironpitbulls.com/dogs/...20x%20kuma.jpg

and still calling and selling them as APBTs or Pit bulls. It's no wonder why so many people are confused and have to ask what they really have.

i know what you mean just imagine if somebody brought one of these to a match late nineteenth century.

[Tic Tac Took]

Daddy looked Am Bully to me. Junior, who took over after Daddy passed away, also looks Am Bully to me. Seems Cesar likes the bullies. Course, its much easier to get an Am Bully than an APBT nowadays.

[gDGwm8BC]

Dagger is NOT APBT. just because registries recognize them doesnt make them that. theyre classed under oklahoma pull dogs i believe.

[SergeyMaikov]

Dagger dogs are probably just as much APBT as Whopper dogs, neither are such, but I'm not sure if I would consider them bully's, either. Daddy and Junior both appear to be bullies to me.

[esconsise]

jus seen the dagger on the link woudnt say they were very athletic!

[no02rSx2]

i know what you mean just imagine if somebody brought one of these to a match late nineteenth century.

They would have laughed their asses off. I would love for these Am Bully breeders that pawn their dogs as pit bulls to ask a true dogman what they think of their dogs.

[SannyGlow]

I did not read that thread, but Dagger is recognized by the ADBA and AADR have seen many of them at weight pulls and they are absolutely beautiful

Bullies are also recognized by the ADBA as APBT's, that does not mean they are. Dagger dogs are not apbt, like the whopper dogs, but the ADBA does recognize them both because of money.