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**c6vkuNRg** · 01-18-2010, 03:30 AM

I wasn't sure where to put this, but i want to know yall's opinions! On another thread i was replying to someone's question and i told them that Cleo's lines where Razor's Edge, Gaff, and Cowboy. Somebody else that was replying said that it was a very strange cross, and i'd like to know why? Also, i think her daddy is not and APBT, he's kind of on the short side. So what could he possibly be? Her mom, on the other hand does look like an APBT, but i dont really even know anymore, im getting so confused about all of this. Will all of yall please tell me what you think? It would help a lot! Thanks

Her mom's the taller one, her daddy's the short one!

**cristmiff** · 01-18-2010, 03:43 AM

Her Sire looks like an Ambully, and her Mom looks like a possible Amstaff.

Might be the picture, but does the Dam look down in the pastures to others? Or is it just me?

**Leczyslaw** · 01-18-2010, 04:32 AM

Ya... that'd be my guess as well. American Bully for the dad, and Am Staff for the mum, maybe boardering on American Bully depending on the lines. lol Do you have a ped? I wonder what they mean by ''Cowboy''.

**c6vkuNRg** · 01-18-2010, 04:48 AM

Ya... that'd be my guess as well. American Bully for the dad, and Am Staff for the mum, maybe boardering on American Bully depending on the lines. lol Do you have a ped? I wonder what they mean by ''Cowboy''.

I sent her paper in but they havent sent her ped back to me yet. And honestly i dont really even know what the crap the Cowboy line is! lol. Shes PR if that has anything to do with any of it. Im just so confused about all of it. All i know is the breeders are older and pretty experienced with breeding APBT's, ive known of them for a while, and they told me that's what she was. Whatever she is though, she's still beautiful. $800 and she should be beautiful lol

**gopsbousperie** · 01-18-2010, 05:13 AM

The dad is what one would call extreme Ambully. The mom looks good, but her legs look huge to me, does it look this way to anyone else? Like they are too thick and don't fit her body or something?

**c6vkuNRg** · 01-18-2010, 05:17 AM

The dad is what one would call extreme Ambully. The mom looks good, but her legs look huge to me, does it look this way to anyone else? Like they are too thick and don't fit her body or something?

Yeah but its only the picture i have another pic of her and they are normal in that one!

**Leczyslaw** · 01-18-2010, 10:30 AM

PR doesn't mean much. Just means they have been registered with the UKC for a certain amount of generations. Can't wait to see the ped to figure out what they meant by Cowboy. Have you thought of asking the breeder? lol The reason I guess it's odd, is there are some dogs refered to as Cowboy from game lines so it would be odd they would mix that in with American Bully's and Am. Staff blood, if that is what they are refering to by ''Cowboy''. My girl Scarling is down from B-Lines Cowboy...

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...ee&dog_id=3877

Or there is Midnight Cowboy...

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mod...ree&dog_id=146

but these are performance bred dogs, not ''show'' bred dogs like Gaff and Razor's Edge, if you can even call some of them that. Many are so out of standard, they've had to create a new registry for them.... hence the American Bully's arrival.

**CealialactBek** · 01-18-2010, 04:36 PM

The dad is what one would call extreme Ambully. The mom looks good, but her legs look huge to me, does it look this way to anyone else? Like they are too thick and don't fit her body or something?

I thought it looked like a pic of a young bully who hasn't finished growing yet.
It's strange because if it's a Midnight Cowboy dog, most people would never breed it into bullies. But there are probably hundreds of dogs with the name cowboy, and if your breeder is calling your pup's dam and sire APBT's...sorry, but they aren't all that knowledgeable.

**naturaherbal** · 01-18-2010, 04:48 PM

I'd say daddy is an am bully not sure on the mom but she's pretty! I just looked at your album and Cleo she sure is a cutie!!!

**CealialactBek** · 01-18-2010, 04:51 PM

At the end of the day, as long as you're getting her fixed and not breeding her, doesn't really matter. Love her, take care of her, make her a good bully ambassador, and call her what she is...an American Bully.
How long ago did you send off for her ped? You might want to follow up if it's been more than 6 weeks.

**c6vkuNRg** · 01-18-2010, 04:56 PM

Thank you Sweetie Darlin!!

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At the end of the day, as long as you're getting her fixed and not breeding her, doesn't really matter. Love her, take care of her, make her a good bully ambassador, and call her what she is...an American Bully.
How long ago did you send off for her ped? You might want to follow up if it's been more than 6 weeks.

Umm i think its been about 7 weeks. i know they've cashed my check already, so i should be getting it back soon!

**mr.memo** · 01-18-2010, 04:59 PM

All i know is the breeders are older and pretty experienced with breeding APBT's, ive known of them for a while, and they told me that's what she was.

From the pics and info you gave...I would have to say that the "older breeders" are not experienced with breeding APBTs. Without other information, I would not venture a guess on how or why they breed. The reason I say this is based on the choice to breed that dam with that sire. What kind of standard are they following? What build of dog are they wanting to get out of that breeding? It just doesn't make much sense.

All that being said, the dam looks very nice and so does your pup!

**CealialactBek** · 01-18-2010, 04:59 PM

Just give them a call and see if the papers have made it in the mail yet. Sometimes it takes a little nudging

Who is she registered with?

**c6vkuNRg** · 01-18-2010, 05:41 PM

Thanks DieselDawg! I know where you're coming from. They own the dam and bred her to the short dog Blue Ice. Both kennels have a website, i might better go look over it again and see if they have ped's for the dogs!

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Just give them a call and see if the papers have made it in the mail yet. Sometimes it takes a little nudging Who is she registered with?

Yeah ill have to check on that! And she's registered with the UKC.

**MegaJIT** · 01-18-2010, 06:42 PM

Cute little pup.. I'm going with AmBully.... the cowboy thing may just be a selling tatic to sell pups... I think the people that my daughters b/f got Mollie from referred to her as Gator, Colby, and who knows what else.

Basically, Mollie is just a mutt.

**nAKMzyBN** · 01-19-2010, 08:49 PM

call her what she is...an American Bully What makes her an American Bully? Just because the sire is one? Is this a catch all term people use for anything crossbred? I would lean on the pitbull term in its encompassing sense rather than make out the dog is something that its not.

Only if the dam is also shown to be ambully would I claim the dog to be so.

**gopsbousperie** · 01-19-2010, 09:02 PM

Well she can only know for sure when she gets paperwork back what the mother is, but there is probably a .01% chance she is APBT judging by looks and color. Only time will tell. But it takes 2 purebred APBT parents to make a purebred APBT pup so the pup would in fact be Ambully going by bloodlines.

**bobibnoxx** · 01-19-2010, 09:11 PM

awww, your puppy has a squishable, kissable face

anyways her daddy (sire) is an AMBully for sure. mommy (dam) looks like maybe an AMStaff.

01-18-2010, 03:30 AM	#1
c6vkuNRg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	So Confused I wasn't sure where to put this, but i want to know yall's opinions! On another thread i was replying to someone's question and i told them that Cleo's lines where Razor's Edge, Gaff, and Cowboy. Somebody else that was replying said that it was a very strange cross, and i'd like to know why? Also, i think her daddy is not and APBT, he's kind of on the short side. So what could he possibly be? Her mom, on the other hand does look like an APBT, but i dont really even know anymore, im getting so confused about all of this. Will all of yall please tell me what you think? It would help a lot! Thanks Her mom's the taller one, her daddy's the short one! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 03:43 AM	#2
cristmiff Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 561 Senior Member	Her Sire looks like an Ambully, and her Mom looks like a possible Amstaff. Might be the picture, but does the Dam look down in the pastures to others? Or is it just me? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 04:32 AM	#3
Leczyslaw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 647 Senior Member	Ya... that'd be my guess as well. American Bully for the dad, and Am Staff for the mum, maybe boardering on American Bully depending on the lines. lol Do you have a ped? I wonder what they mean by ''Cowboy''. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 04:48 AM	#4
c6vkuNRg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Ya... that'd be my guess as well. American Bully for the dad, and Am Staff for the mum, maybe boardering on American Bully depending on the lines. lol Do you have a ped? I wonder what they mean by ''Cowboy''. I sent her paper in but they havent sent her ped back to me yet. And honestly i dont really even know what the crap the Cowboy line is! lol. Shes PR if that has anything to do with any of it. Im just so confused about all of it. All i know is the breeders are older and pretty experienced with breeding APBT's, ive known of them for a while, and they told me that's what she was. Whatever she is though, she's still beautiful. $800 and she should be beautiful lol Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 05:13 AM	#5
gopsbousperie Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	The dad is what one would call extreme Ambully. The mom looks good, but her legs look huge to me, does it look this way to anyone else? Like they are too thick and don't fit her body or something? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 05:17 AM	#6
c6vkuNRg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	The dad is what one would call extreme Ambully. The mom looks good, but her legs look huge to me, does it look this way to anyone else? Like they are too thick and don't fit her body or something? Yeah but its only the picture i have another pic of her and they are normal in that one! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 10:30 AM	#7
Leczyslaw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 647 Senior Member	PR doesn't mean much. Just means they have been registered with the UKC for a certain amount of generations. Can't wait to see the ped to figure out what they meant by Cowboy. Have you thought of asking the breeder? lol The reason I guess it's odd, is there are some dogs refered to as Cowboy from game lines so it would be odd they would mix that in with American Bully's and Am. Staff blood, if that is what they are refering to by ''Cowboy''. My girl Scarling is down from B-Lines Cowboy... http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...ee&dog_id=3877 Or there is Midnight Cowboy... http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mod...ree&dog_id=146 but these are performance bred dogs, not ''show'' bred dogs like Gaff and Razor's Edge, if you can even call some of them that. Many are so out of standard, they've had to create a new registry for them.... hence the American Bully's arrival. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 04:36 PM	#8
CealialactBek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 525 Senior Member	The dad is what one would call extreme Ambully. The mom looks good, but her legs look huge to me, does it look this way to anyone else? Like they are too thick and don't fit her body or something? I thought it looked like a pic of a young bully who hasn't finished growing yet. It's strange because if it's a Midnight Cowboy dog, most people would never breed it into bullies. But there are probably hundreds of dogs with the name cowboy, and if your breeder is calling your pup's dam and sire APBT's...sorry, but they aren't all that knowledgeable. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 04:48 PM	#9
naturaherbal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 332 Senior Member	I'd say daddy is an am bully not sure on the mom but she's pretty! I just looked at your album and Cleo she sure is a cutie!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 04:51 PM	#10
CealialactBek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 525 Senior Member	At the end of the day, as long as you're getting her fixed and not breeding her, doesn't really matter. Love her, take care of her, make her a good bully ambassador, and call her what she is...an American Bully. How long ago did you send off for her ped? You might want to follow up if it's been more than 6 weeks. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 04:56 PM	#11
c6vkuNRg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Thank you Sweetie Darlin!! ---------- Post added at 09:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:53 AM ---------- At the end of the day, as long as you're getting her fixed and not breeding her, doesn't really matter. Love her, take care of her, make her a good bully ambassador, and call her what she is...an American Bully. How long ago did you send off for her ped? You might want to follow up if it's been more than 6 weeks. Umm i think its been about 7 weeks. i know they've cashed my check already, so i should be getting it back soon! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 04:59 PM	#12
mr.memo Join Date Oct 2005 Age 40 Posts 370 Senior Member	All i know is the breeders are older and pretty experienced with breeding APBT's, ive known of them for a while, and they told me that's what she was. From the pics and info you gave...I would have to say that the "older breeders" are not experienced with breeding APBTs. Without other information, I would not venture a guess on how or why they breed. The reason I say this is based on the choice to breed that dam with that sire. What kind of standard are they following? What build of dog are they wanting to get out of that breeding? It just doesn't make much sense. All that being said, the dam looks very nice and so does your pup! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 05:41 PM	#14
c6vkuNRg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Thanks DieselDawg! I know where you're coming from. They own the dam and bred her to the short dog Blue Ice. Both kennels have a website, i might better go look over it again and see if they have ped's for the dogs! ---------- Post added at 10:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:37 AM ---------- Just give them a call and see if the papers have made it in the mail yet. Sometimes it takes a little nudging Who is she registered with? Yeah ill have to check on that! And she's registered with the UKC. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-18-2010, 06:42 PM	#15
MegaJIT Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 591 Senior Member	Cute little pup.. I'm going with AmBully.... the cowboy thing may just be a selling tatic to sell pups... I think the people that my daughters b/f got Mollie from referred to her as Gator, Colby, and who knows what else. Basically, Mollie is just a mutt. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-19-2010, 08:49 PM	#16
nAKMzyBN Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	call her what she is...an American Bully What makes her an American Bully? Just because the sire is one? Is this a catch all term people use for anything crossbred? I would lean on the pitbull term in its encompassing sense rather than make out the dog is something that its not. Only if the dam is also shown to be ambully would I claim the dog to be so. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-19-2010, 09:02 PM	#17
gopsbousperie Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	Well she can only know for sure when she gets paperwork back what the mother is, but there is probably a .01% chance she is APBT judging by looks and color. Only time will tell. But it takes 2 purebred APBT parents to make a purebred APBT pup so the pup would in fact be Ambully going by bloodlines. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-19-2010, 09:11 PM	#18
bobibnoxx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 670 Senior Member	awww, your puppy has a squishable, kissable face anyways her daddy (sire) is an AMBully for sure. mommy (dam) looks like maybe an AMStaff. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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