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Do anyone know a good breeder that breeds staffy or pitbull?

"Staffy" is a nickname for Staffordshire Bull Terrier. (Although most SBT people will tell you that "Stafford" is more correct). ("Am Staf" is for the American Staffordshire Terrier).

The correct spelling is "Pit Bull", not "pitbull".

As for pitbull I like the smaller breeds like the chinaman, or jeep redboy body types.

Chinaman, Jeep and Redboy are NOT "breeds" of Pit Bull. They are bloodlines OF the American Pit Bull Terrier: "I like the body types of the Chinaman, Jeep or Redboy BLOODLINES" is what you want to say.

Are there any perticular breed of staffy that is good? (like the pitbull chinaman) thanks

"Breed of staffy" makes no sense. You want to say, "Are there any particular bloodlines of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier that are good"? The Staffy IS a breed (Staffordshire Bull Terrier).


Sorry for the rant...this "breed of pitbull" thing is one of my pet peeves and it gets used a LOT!

Carla

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Well, as you know I am not too informed on these breeds and that is why I joined this forum and might possible own a "Pit Bull". Like some of you say that there might be dog aggression with the Pit Bull and a bulldog, it might change my mind on getting another dog. What is DA? CoolHandJean, so you are saying that thost bloodline of Chinaman and Jeep have more chances of dog aggression because they are game breed dogs?
Does anyone on the forum introduce a Pit Bull puppy to their new home with another bully dog that have been there for a few years.
Do you think intorducing a Pit Bull is different then introducing a cocker to my English Bulldog? I feel that I have introduced the cocker to my bulldog pretty well. They Never fought and they go every where together and even sleep together.

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What is DA? CoolHandJean, so you are saying that thost bloodline of Chinaman and Jeep have more chances of dog aggression because they are game breed dogs?
DA, stands for Dog Aggression.

Yes, game breed dogs have a higher chance of being more dog aggressive.

Welcome to the forums, and ignore the smartass comments.

We are all here to learn from this forum...

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Welcome to the forums, and ignore the smartass comments.

They weren't meant to be smartass -- sorry if it came across that way.

The various wrong spellings of the breed and the whole "breeds of pitbull" thing is becoming more and more popular -- and fosters even more confusion about the breed.

I believe it needs to be cleared up!

Carla

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so you are saying that thost bloodline of Chinaman and Jeep have more chances of dog aggression because they are game breed dogs?

Good! But the term is "game-BRED" -- refers to how the dogs are selected for breeding. Using "game-breed" again fosters this notion of "breeds of pitbull". People are learning that blue-nose, red-nose, Jeep, "gamers", etc are "BREEDS of pitbull" -- and YES, it drives me NUTS!

Not being smart-ass! Just pointing it out -- these usages DO make a difference!

Carla

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They weren't meant to be smartass -- sorry if it came across that way.

The various wrong spellings of the breed and the whole "breeds of pitbull" thing is becoming more and more popular -- and fosters even more confusion about the breed.

I believe it needs to be cleared up!

Carla

I agree 100% with you, and thought your post was well-written and un-snarky . Part of being a responsible owner is knowing the correct names for your dogs. This is really good information to have. And since OP is here to learn, it was important to share that information.

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Thanks for the information guys. I do not take anything people say personally.
I just like how those game bred Pit Bull look and the size of them. I think the Americam Pit Bull like the "blue" are too big, stocky and over weight. They do look like a better guard dog then a chinaman or Jeep breed but I think their weight and stockiness hinder their performance.
Just to let you know I am not thinking of getting a Pit bull as a gurad dog. I want another dog in my family to be my companion. I run alot, about 4 miles a day and I run pretty fast. I would love it if my bulldog could run with me. I think that a Pit bull or a staffy would have a good enough physical performance or even better then be able to run with me. Let me know what you guys think.
Belladonna Kennels, why would you think that Staffy would have more DA then Pit Bull? From what I have read online, Staffy are called the nanny dog and I would think they be called the nanny dog for no reason. I am also aware that they too are bully breed and can have DA but from what I have read it is far less then a Pit Bull or maybe its just the bad story of Pit Bulls that have leaked out?

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Well, as you know I am not too informed on these breeds and that is why I joined this forum and might possible own a "Pit Bull". Like some of you say that there might be dog aggression with the Pit Bull and a bulldog, it might change my mind on getting another dog. What is DA? CoolHandJean, so you are saying that thost bloodline of Chinaman and Jeep have more chances of dog aggression because they are game breed dogs?

Game bred means that the dog is the offspring of at least one game parent. Proven gameness involves testing/matching/rolling/fighting the dog. Just because you get a dog that has Chinaman or Jeep somewhere in it's pedigree does not make it a gamebred dog (we had a long discussion on this already, lol)

See this thread for that info: http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=10480

Does anyone on the forum introduce a Pit Bull puppy to their new home with another bully dog that have been there for a few years.

I have an 11 year old JRT/pit bull mix (female) and a 3 yr old APBT (male). So, it can be done. I NEVER leave them alone together. Your best chance for success is with a mixed sex, altered pair of dogs. Two same sex unaltered dogs is asking for trouble, and I would not recommend it for a newbie to the breed.

Do you think intorducing a Pit Bull is different then introducing a cocker to my English Bulldog? I feel that I have introduced the cocker to my bulldog pretty well. They Never fought and they go every where together and even sleep together.

Only because the Cocker is less likely to be dog aggressive than another bulldog would be. The whole introduction process is the same across breeds of dogs, but with DA (dog aggressive) dogs, you need to be prepared to intervene and separate them if necessary. If they don't get along, you may never be able to have them live together, and you will need to crate and rotate (have the dog's outside-the-crate time be the opposite of the other dog's outside-the-crate time). The major difference is that a fight between a Cocker and a bulldog will likely end in the Cocker giving up the fight and wanting to retreat (whether or not the bulldog will let that happen is another story). Bulldog vs bulldog, neither one will give up, and you either break up the fight or have one or even two dead dogs.

Also, kim, there are dogs who are DA but only to certain dogs. There are also dogs that are DA but it doesn't show up until years later, and there is not a warning before it shows up. And when a bulldog fights another dog, there isn't too much posturing going on, as with other breeds. There isn't a big show of growling and hair-raising. The point is not to get the opponent to back down, the point of a bulldog fight is to fight.

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Welcome, Ken.

First of, a true APBT or AmStaff will not ever make a good guard dog; should you be looking for a guard dog, then a properly bred ABPT or AmStaff is not what you are looking for, they are way too people friendly.

Have you considered adopting from a rescue? I can think of at least one excellent one in the L.A. area that specializes in Pit type dogs.

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Thanks for the information guys. I do not take anything people say personally.
I just like how those game bred Pit Bull look and the size of them. I think the Americam Pit Bull like the "blue" are too big, stocky and over weight.

Blue is not a breed, it is a color. Not all blue dogs are stocky and over weight. The ones you are thinking of are actually American Bullies, which is a newer breed that used a mix of APBT and other breeds. Many American Bully breeders heavily tout the blue coat as a clever marketing ploy to get people to think they are getting a rare dog. The gene that causes the blue coat is recessive, just like blue eyes in humans.

Search for 'Razor's Edge' and you find plenty of info on American Bullies and the controversy surrounding them.

It sounds to me like you don't understand the whole 'pit bull' "breed" thing. 'Pit Bull' alone is not a breed. It is a generic umbrella term, like 'retriever' or 'hound' that encompasses many different breeds which share some similar characteristics. American Bulldogs, American Staffordshire Terriers, American Pit Bull Terriers, English Staffordshire Terriers, American Bullies, and Bull Terriers (I probably missed some, too).

The body style that you describe is that of the American Pit Bull Terrier (Chinaman was an American Pit Bull Terrier). This is the breed of dog that you are looking for. They come in many different colors (including blue), and none of those colors are a separate breed.

They do look like a better guard dog then a chinaman or Jeep breed but I think their weight and stockiness hinder their performance.

A tempermentally correct, sound APBT is a lousy guard dog. They are very people friendly. Although they may bark to alert you to strangers, do not expect one to protect your house or belongings as a guard dog would. It won't happen.

Just to let you know I am not thinking of getting a Pit bull as a gurad dog. I want another dog in my family to be my companion. I run alot, about 4 miles a day and I run pretty fast. I would love it if my bulldog could run with me. I think that a Pit bull or a staffy would have a good enough physical performance or even better then be able to run with me. Let me know what you guys think.

The APBT is a very athletic dog. It would make a great jogging companion.

Belladonna Kennels, why would you think that Staffy would have more DA then Pit Bull? From what I have read online, Staffy are called the nanny dog and I would think they be called the nanny dog for no reason.

They are called 'nanny dogs' because of their lack of human aggression. They love children especially and are great companions for people with families.

I am also aware that they too are bully breed and can have DA but from what I have read it is far less then a Pit Bull or maybe its just the bad story of Pit Bulls that have leaked out?

Pit bulls are a bully breed. I'm not quite sure what you are saying here, but any of the bully breeds are prone to DA. Anything that is called a 'pit bull' is a bully breed.

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Rai, yes this is so true. This is what I am afraid of happening if I do get a Staffy or a Pit bull.
I have a friend that has 3 Pit Bull. Two of them grown up together, they are about 10-11 years old. He recently bought puppy, Jeep bloodline. All 3 of his Pit bull are doing well. He leaves them at home alone all the time when he goes out to work. But I do see their DA. I was at their house once and the two older Pit null got into a fight and we had to break them up. Your right they will never stop, me and my frined had to pull them apart. Those two Pit bull will have a fight about once or twice a year, but after the fight they get alone fine even thoguh they are both a little hurt after it.
If I do get another dog I am prepared to seperate them if they get into fight but I am just afraid if they dont get along. A fight here and there is fine but if they fight evey time they see each other, then it would not be possible to bring another puppy home.

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Rai_77 wrote: "It sounds to me like you don't understand the whole 'pit bull' "breed" thing. 'Pit Bull' alone is not a breed. It is a generic umbrella term, like 'retriever' or 'hound' that encompasses many different breeds which share some similar characteristics. American Bulldogs, American Staffordshire Terriers, American Pit Bull Terriers, English Staffordshire Terriers, American Bullies, and Bull Terriers (I probably missed some, too)."

Okay, this is confusing to a lot of people.

Where I come from, the term "Pit Bull" is (was, now I guess) simply the nickname for the American Pit Bull Terrier. Yes, the MEDIA has confiscated the nickname to mean any dog that "looks" like a Pit Bull including the breeds mentioned. I have had a hard time bringing myself to use it this way. I tend to always advocate that "Pit Bull" is the American Pit Bull Terrier and that's all. But I do understand what it has morphed into.

I still dislike the term "pit bull breeds" because it does foster so much confusion. A better term is, I think, "breeds that come under the pit bull umbrella as defined by the media". Most of the time you can tell by context what is being talked about, but it is still VERY confusing to novices!

Carla

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Rai wrote: "Only because the Cocker is less likely to be dog aggressive than another bulldog would be. The whole introduction process is the same across breeds of dogs, but with DA (dog aggressive) dogs, you need to be prepared to intervene and separate them if necessary. If they don't get along, you may never be able to have them live together, and you will need to crate and rotate (have the dog's outside-the-crate time be the opposite of the other dog's outside-the-crate time). The major difference is that a fight between a Cocker and a bulldog will likely end in the Cocker giving up the fight and wanting to retreat (whether or not the bulldog will let that happen is another story). Bulldog vs bulldog, neither one will give up, and you either break up the fight or have one or even two dead dogs."

Ken: Here, when Rai uses "bulldog" he is not talking about English bulldog. "Bulldog" is another popular nickname for American Pit Bull Terrier.

Carla

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Rai wrote: "Only because the Cocker is less likely to be dog aggressive than another bulldog would be. The whole introduction process is the same across breeds of dogs, but with DA (dog aggressive) dogs, you need to be prepared to intervene and separate them if necessary. If they don't get along, you may never be able to have them live together, and you will need to crate and rotate (have the dog's outside-the-crate time be the opposite of the other dog's outside-the-crate time). The major difference is that a fight between a Cocker and a bulldog will likely end in the Cocker giving up the fight and wanting to retreat (whether or not the bulldog will let that happen is another story). Bulldog vs bulldog, neither one will give up, and you either break up the fight or have one or even two dead dogs."

Ken: Here, when Rai uses "bulldog" he is not talking about English bulldog. "Bulldog" is another popular nickname for American Pit Bull Terrier.

Carla

I am a female, ty.

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Rai, yes this is so true. This is what I am afraid of happening if I do get a Staffy or a Pit bull.
I have a friend that has 3 Pit Bull. Two of them grown up together, they are about 10-11 years old. He recently bought puppy, Jeep bloodline. All 3 of his Pit bull are doing well. He leaves them at home alone all the time when he goes out to work. But I do see their DA. I was at their house once and the two older Pit null got into a fight and we had to break them up. Your right they will never stop, me and my frined had to pull them apart. Those two Pit bull will have a fight about once or twice a year, but after the fight they get alone fine even thoguh they are both a little hurt after it.
If I do get another dog I am prepared to seperate them if they get into fight but I am just afraid if they dont get along. A fight here and there is fine but if they fight evey time they see each other, then it would not be possible to bring another puppy home.

A fight here and there is NOT okay with pit bulls/bulldogs/bully breeds/breeds commonly referred to as pit bulls by the media.

A fight "here and there" is very likely to end up in a DEAD DOG.

I will be surprised if your friend's dog all live into old age, what your friend is doing by allowing them to be unsupervised is extremely irresponsible.

If you are not prepared to deal with DA, then a pit bull/bulldog/bully breed/breed commonly referred to as pit bulls by the media is not the breed for you.

[AmericaAirline 111]

Good! But the term is "game-BRED" -- refers to how the dogs are selected for breeding. Using "game-breed" again fosters this notion of "breeds of pitbull". People are learning that blue-nose, red-nose, Jeep, "gamers", etc are "BREEDS of pitbull"

Yes, you are absolutely right. Even I, am guilty of using the wrong words...

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CoolHandJean, so you are saying that those bloodline of Chinaman and Jeep have more chances of dog aggression because they are game bred dogs?

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They are usually Gamebred dog (happy Rai), so, they do have a higher potential to be Dog Aggressive.

I feel that I have introduced the cocker to my bulldog pretty well. They Never fought and they go every where together and even sleep together.

A "pit bull" puppy and your Bulldog might get along fine within the first few months. However, once that pup matures there is a high chance that the pup will be dog aggressive. You can do it, if you put the effort into it.

Meaning never leaving them alone together. You said your friend has Jeep bloodline American Pit Bull Terriers (APBT), and leaves them alone? I say your friend is playing with fire, especially since you said they have gotten into fights before. They should never be left alone together.

If you do decide to get an APBT or any Bully breed, be prepared that in the future you might need to crate and rotate, which means if one is out, the other is either in another room, outside (properly contained), or in the kennel.

If you feel that would be too much work or not worth it, then I seriously suggest not getting a bully breed, until your other dogs are gone, and you can have an one dog household.

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CoolHandJean, yes my frined has a Jeep bloodline. He is ust a puppy and has not gotten into any fights yet. I have seem many time where the puppy would be aggressive but this dog is really calm. His other 2 pit would rearly fight. The last time when they fought was 2 months ago and the puppy just watched far away while me and my frined pull both dogs apart. Aside from this fight the last time was a few years ago.

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Madhawk, is you pit a Colby?

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Madhawk, is you pit a Colby?

No, I don't think so. I have been told that his bloodline is;

His fathers bloodline is: Yellow, Rocky, Sundance

His mothers bloodline is: Rednose Carver

But I have no idea if that's true, in South Africa, we seem to have a different history in bloodlines.

I am no expert, so I can't comment...