[Big A]

Admin Note: This thread is a continuation of Obama and the Jews, which became very large.

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Redistribution of Wealth Experiment

That's a great link!

I was laughing about it while driving into work this morning.

Here's the blog post:

From news article:
This e-mail forward was sent to me this morning. Very rarely do I find these educational, this was a very clever demonstration of Barack Obama’s plan to “spread the wealth around.”

In a local restaurant my server had on a “Obama 08″ tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference–just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need–the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I’ve decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

[Fegasderty]

I love it when people say they vote for Obama because they support socialism.

Andak, this is not the reason why you are voting for Obama. At least be honest.

[Ifroham4]

Contrary to the image portrayed by Left Conservatives give much more charity than Liberals. That means that we don't need the Leftist Messiah Obama to forcefully take away even more money from hard working Americans like Joe the plumber and others. Instead, the next president should lessen taxes on all tax-paying Americans as McCain plans to do.

As a point of reference: Who Gives and Who Doesn't?

You talk about preparing the world for our children? Sounds good. But one lesson we should teach all of our children is that they need to get a good education that will give them the job skills necessary to be successful in life and not to rely on the Leftist Messiah Obama to forcefully take away money from others.

So to answer your question, the taxation system of this government should protect the middle class and should seek to achieve the greatest revenue with the least amount of human suffering.

The greatest revenue with the least amount of human suffering?? Now there's a formula that would make even Karl Marx blush. So according to you, when a successful American can afford food and shelter for the rest of his/her life, there should be 100% taxes on all additional income? That would yield the greatest revenue with minimal suffering, no? Wow, Andak, you're even more of a Marxist than Obama. I'm sure your work-for-nothing plan will make America much stronger and much more productive.

[PhillipHer]

Posted by Andak01:

I support a little more socialism than what we presently have in this country and far less than is found in much of the rest of the world. I admit I wouldn't mind living a few extra years like they do in... over thirty other countries.

you mean in barely populated Sweden or Norway. Don't compare apples oranges - especially with countries who are so much smaller then us. I recommend quitting smoking, diet and exercise. My grand-daddy, who is 88, still runs Boston Marathon every year!!!!! He also walks five miles every day, and in every weather, and then swims 2 miles at the local JCC.

[Drugmachine]

I support a little more socialism than what we presently have in this country and far less than is found in much of the rest of the world. I admit I wouldn't mind living a few extra years like they do in... over thirty other countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

Good to know that Socialism brings longer life, as opposed to better diet, exercise, etc. All you need is Obamunism and a bag of Cheetos.

Seriously, I do understand that someone who wants to live under Socialism would prefer Obama. I prefer Capitalism, though, so I prefer McCain.

Rather you give more to charities that show up in statistics. Grass roots groups or cash given to the poor doesn't show up in those statistics.

Well, at least for the time being, we both get to donate to the charity of our choice.

Or at least, under Capitalism we both get to choose our charities. In Obama's case, he wants to forcefully "spread the wealth," so he plans to take from whomever he chooses and give to the people and organizations of his choice, like ACORN, for example. I don't think that's right. To me, Obama is not the Messiah and I don't trust him or Nancy Pelosi to make those types of decisions for me.


You mean other Republicans who lie about how much they are going to make, what political party they belong to, whether or not they are licensed to plumb and whether they already are in hock to this Republican government? Other Republicans who would benefit from the Obama plan but say that they wouldn't because they are political pawns? There you go again, attacking Joe the plumber -- an average, middle class American who works 10-12 hours a day trying to provide for his family. It all seems so far removed when Obama talks about robbing faceless billionaires who earns hundreds of millions a year. But Joe stood up to Obama and challenged Obama's economic plan, causing Obama for the first time to expose his real plan of raising taxes on hard-working small business owners as Joe hopes to become. Now everyone understands that Obama doesn't only plan to rob America's most successful people, but rather, Obama admitted that he will rob a plain average Joe even during the country's worst economic crisis in history. That's why Leftists are so angry at Joe. He caused their Messiah Obama to expose his true tax plan on national TV.

Don't worry, Andak, there may be enough people in this country that have no shame taking Joe's money away. Just look at Obama's fine ACORN voters -- models of what it is to be an Obama supporter.

[MannoFr]

Taxes are part of the social contract. It's the price of citizenship. Like one would hope never to take advantage of the prison system, the fire department or the public mental health system, we pay for it because it's necessary to do so in order to have a society that functions. Obama's taxes are really no different than the taxes you already pay and none of you here would assert that George Bush is the great socialist by virtue of the fact that his sheer neglect causes you to pay more in taxes. Bush started out with a 5.4 trillion with a T dollar surplus. He managed to put a minus sign in front of that number. That is a 'tax' in that someone, is going to be on the hook ultimately to pay it.

[doctorzlo]

Right, but every social contract is specific to the time and place it exists. In the United States, if I'm not mistaken- Federal taxation (until, at least, the great socialist experiment, the new deal) was dedicated to Defense and interstate transportation and commerce. The State taxes, on the other hand, were dedicated to local programs that often benefited directly those people that paid taxes. Why should you in N.C. pay Social Security, Welfare, and Medicaid for someone in Texas? or Alaska? or Montana, or Puerto Rico? or Guam?

[S.T.D.]

Right, but every social contract is specific to the time and place it exists. In the United States, if I'm not mistaken- Federal taxation (until, at least, the great socialist experiment, the new deal) was dedicated to Defense and interstate transportation and commerce. The State taxes, on the other hand, were dedicated to local programs that often benefited directly those people that paid taxes. Why should you in N.C. pay Social Security, Welfare, and Medicaid for someone in Texas? or Alaska? or Montana, or Puerto Rico? or Guam?

Why should I pay for those poor black folk at all? They're not me. Screw them all. Kick em to the curb. Why should it matter where they live. Why not just embrace The Great Brutal? The Hobbesian slog. I'm always amused that the people who reject evolution are the same people who embrace rutheless social Darwinism the loudest.

[Lt_Apple]

Why should I pay for those poor black folk at all? They're not me. Screw them all. Kick em to the curb. Why should it matter where they live. Why not just embrace The Great Brutal? The Hobbesian slog. I'm always amused that the people who reject evolution are the same people who embrace rutheless social Darwinism the loudest.

Reject evolution, lol? As in what? by natural and sexual selection? Or via fixing Luria's broken containers of reality by doing good works? Social Darwinism, generally speaking, can be accomplished on the State level too you know. Notice that it makes a lot less sense though as you climb the scales of geography and bureaucracy, since people tend to actually know who their needy neighbors are and don't depend on neither super-national abstractions, or federal extortions and such. All politics are grass roots, when you forget about that, someone somewhere is going to yell either communism or empire. In both cases the Jews are the ones that get thrown down the wells for, what shall we call it... maybe "doing the right thing."

Oh, it's a bit more Malthus than it is Hobbes, both are good company though.