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If there was a true believer running, I'd be thrilled!! If he was running, he'd definitely get my vote. But just saying "I'm a Christian" isn't enough for me.

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Like Ann said, the claim is not enough. There have been plenty of men in office who have made the claim while leading the country in supporting many unglodly ideals from the murder of the unborn to theft.

A believer with measurable fruit is preferred. However, that seems to be an impossible standard. I must consider the entire character of the man in question.

Let's assume that Obama is a Muslim, just for the sake this question.
Discernment then says they both worship false gods. Romney then gets my votes based solely on moral issues. I do think a person can be moral (relatively speaking) and not righteous.

Now let's assume Obama claims to be a Christian and Romney is still a Mormon.
Looking at the overall character of the men I would still vote Romney. This is because despite his claim, Obama does not bear any fruit that I can see.

Further, just because a man is a Christian does not mean he is a good leader or qualified for the job in question. Carter claimed to be a Christian. I know he cares deeply for people and desires peace. These are good qualities in a man and indicate the presence of measurable fruit (IMO). However, he was ill-equipped to be president. I believe he has a good heart, but is very naive. The economic disaster at home and the Iranian crisis point to this.

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This is a very good thread, and gets to the crux of the dilemma of this election. Mont brought up a very good point about being a Christian. Being a Christian does not require good leadership skills, and he had none. However, I do believe in my heart that Jimmy Carter is a Christian, and his life shows it. Reagan was a good leader. He also had a sense of morality, and stated he was a Christian. He was a Presbyterian. I also believe him to have been a Christian. Since Reagan left office, we have had a situation of no leadership, and very little evidence of Christianity. The Bushes did show some inclination of being Christian. However, the rest, had no leadership or spiritual qualities, ie Gore, Kerry, McCain, Obama or Romney. I do think if one is a Christian, and both candidates are equal excluding that, my vote would go to the Christian. That is something we certainly do not have to worry about this year. Salty brought up another good point. If Obama were a Christian, he would still not get my vote with his record.

We are not sure Obama is a Muslim, to be fair, but we are sure Romney is not a Christian. This is the worst choice in American history. My vote is hanging on the trustworthiness of Romney declaring he is now pro life and anti gay rights. That is not much to hang your hat on. Maybe this would put it better into perspective. If John Kennedy was running against Romney this year, my vote would go for Kennedy. If Romney were running against Johnson, McGovern, Gore or Dukakis, I would vote for Romney.

I wonder how many people voted against John Kennedy in 1960 because he was Catholic because his opponent Richard Nixon was a Protestant and so honest?

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Voting for a Catholic as POTUS in 1960

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It must not be very important for most right-wingers given they're choosing the Trinity-denying Mormon Romney over the real Christian, Barack Obama.

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When has he claimed that? Is that your only measure of whether or not he is a Christian. What fruit does he bear that proves his claim of being a follower of Christ?

I can claim to be a 300 lb football player. I can claim to be from Mars. I can claim to be a 1964 1/2 cherry red Mustang convertible. Making a claim does not make it true. In fact this is what the command about not taking the Lord's name in vain is all about. Vain means to no effect. Claiming to be a follower of Christ, like Obama has done, without actually being one (and his actions and words don't back up his claim) then he is in serious trouble.

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