[h98hhYxM]

Would you describe your political view as libertarian?

I have no association with the libertarian party itself - in fact, I am quite against both its methods and existence in general, in fact. Trying to exert any sort of radical change with no at least quasi-philosophical guidance is folly. The Libertarian party is a party of positions, not of ideology. Its positions happen to (partially) agree with mine, but the reasoning behind them is not the same.

So I do not label myself "libertarian." But my politics are similar. Do you understand?

[nofkayalk]

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However, if jackass Americans keep insulting Canada as often as they do, perhaps you just might end up with some long term supply problems here...

Ah hem, idle threats don't work. Canada's economy is way more dependent on its neighbor to the south than we are to our neighbor in the north. That said, I'd rather buy my natural gas and crude from Canada than anywhere else in the world without question. Only "some" Canadians hate Americans as a rule, those that speak Fro....er, French.

[imporrilk]

Ah hem, idle threats don't work. Canada's economy is way more dependent on its neighbor to the south than we are to our neighbor in the north. That said, I'd rather buy my natural gas and crude from Canada than anywhere else in the world without question. Only "some" Canadians hate Americans as a rule, those that speak Fro....er, French.

Well, said, 25% of Canadas GDP and near 100% of its security comes from America. They have much more to lose.

[itaspCatCriny]

Er, its not okay for them to spend any tax dollars, tough guy. I don't think taxes are justifiable.

Tough guy?

[Alulursuifold]

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However, if jackass Americans keep insulting Canada as often as they do, perhaps you just might end up with some long term supply problems here...

Wow, way to go collective punishment man.

You belong back in the middle ages, when such a thing was en vogue, I believe is how its spelled.

Tough guy?

Would you prefer girly man?

[effenseshoora]

Wow, way to go collective punishment man.

You belong back in the middle ages, when such a thing was en vogue, I believe is how its spelled.



Would you prefer girly man?

Either one really doesn't matter to me, see name calling isn't really effective unless the person being called a name cares. I was just trying to figure out what in that post would prompt you to think I was being a tough guy. Perhaps you don't need a reason it just seemed like th right thing to say, you know one more thing you put on paper that really has no rhyme or reason.

[ZIDouglas]

I have no association with the libertarian party itself - in fact, I am quite against both its methods and existence in general, in fact. Trying to exert any sort of radical change with no at least quasi-philosophical guidance is folly. The Libertarian party is a party of positions, not of ideology. Its positions happen to (partially) agree with mine, but the reasoning behind them is not the same.

So I do not label myself "libertarian." But my politics are similar. Do you understand?

Doesn't matter actually. I was just raising a point for a different discussion. Thanks.

[zueqhbyhp]

Ah hem, idle threats don't work. Canada's economy is way more dependent on its neighbor to the south than we are to our neighbor in the north. That said, I'd rather buy my natural gas and crude from Canada than anywhere else in the world without question. Only "some" Canadians hate Americans as a rule, those that speak Fro....er, French.

The comment was constructed only to throw something back politely at jviehe for the pleasure of his insults.

[Narkeere]

Well, said, 25% of Canadas GDP and near 100% of its security comes from America. They have much more to lose.

And that justifies your personal insult eh jviehe?

Shall I just assume that to insult those you disagree with is particularly American trait?

Btw, it is closer to 35% of the GDP - we are very competitive in your markets. And we don't have any choice in the security thing. Your government doesn't permit choice in that policy field. Just review JFK's administration's relations with Canada and you will (perhaps) understand why it is that so many Canadians really do dislike the USA. Your government has done lots of nasty things up here. Can you say CIA 'mind-control' experiments in Montreal perhaps? Or JFK's successful overthrow of one of our elected governments? Indeed.

But that is all beside the point. The only point here is jviehe's personal insult. For that, I have only extreme contempt for you jviehe - as I once was willing to give you respect. No more. Only contempt from me now. You are no different than WEB - cut from the same cloth.

[Glamyclitlemi]

The comment was constructed only to throw something back politely at jviehe for the pleasure of his insults.

Trust me, I didn't think you were really serious. You'd have to be a fool to want to cut off your nose to spite your face as my Dad used to say.

From my observations, 99% of the time Americans and Canadians see eye-to-eye. The only time I see any problems is when it involves French Canadians, but having lots of Ontarians as associates, they don't like them either.

[TouccuraLar]

And that justifies your personal insult eh jviehe?

Shall I just assume that to insult those you disagree with is particularly American trait?

Btw, it is closer to 35% of the GDP - we are very competitive in your markets. And we don't have any choice in the security thing. Your government doesn't permit choice in that policy field. Just review JFK's administration's relations with Canada and you will (perhaps) understand why it is that so many Canadians really do dislike the USA. Your government has done lots of nasty things up here. Can you say CIA 'mind-control' experiments in Montreal perhaps? Or JFK's successful overthrow of one of our elected governments? Indeed.

Obviously the mind control experiments didn't work because French Canadians didn't get any smarter.
But that is all beside the point. The only point here is jviehe's personal insult. For that, I have only extreme contempt for you jviehe - as I once was willing to give you respect. No more. Only contempt from me now. You are no different than WEB - cut from the same cloth. Don't take his comments so personal. I think we all tend to overdo it at times. I'm guilty of it myself. For example, whenever I see the word "France", my BP goes up 20 points.

Incidentally, we also share the same impression of WEB.

[flopay]

I thought Mad_Michael was on my side..apparently not. BTW living in Canada allows me to think things through to a level not possible in the US what with this neocon propaganda flying around.

Hows this for thinking clearly? 90% of people on Earth believe in a supreme being therefore thats the norm. 90% of the people on Earth believe the US is fucked and going int he wrong direction. That means your wrong and we are right. Sucks to be you. You'd be in deep shit if we cut off your oil btw. I suggest you pay more attention to who your friends are.

[Immampdah]

Doesn't matter actually. I was just raising a point for a different discussion. Thanks.

I believe the proper way to ask, then, would be over private messaging, not randomly asking me in a random thread.

[sherrferris]

I believe the proper way to ask, then, would be over private messaging, not randomly asking me in a random thread.

You are entitled to your opinion.

A pm would not have served the purpose that I had. A posted reply in the forum allows for a 'link' to demonstrate the point.

[GillTeepbew]

I thought Mad_Michael was on my side..apparently not. BTW living in Canada allows me to think things through to a level not possible in the US what with this neocon propaganda flying around.

Hows this for thinking clearly? 90% of people on Earth believe in a supreme being therefore thats the norm. 90% of the people on Earth believe the US is fucked and going int he wrong direction. That means your wrong and we are right. Sucks to be you. You'd be in deep shit if we cut off your oil btw. I suggest you pay more attention to who your friends are.

Except that your missing that just becasue everyone beleives something doesnt make it right. The world was flat once, ya know? Just so happens 90% of the world is wrong, and maybe closer to 100% of Canada, at least from what I can see of the Canadians I interact with.

Im going to stick with my theory that you have no clue about America since you dont live here.

[Glanteeignile]

I thought Mad_Michael was on my side..apparently not.

No, not in this case. You appear to want to condemn the entire US political system because it produces policies you don't like. I think that is silly.

Especially since policy is generally adopted in very undemocratic ways around the world. Just because we like to call our political systme 'democratic' that doesn't mean it is or ought to be.

And if you don't like the policy, address the policy.

BTW living in Canada allows me to think things through to a level not possible in the US what with this neocon propaganda flying around.

Bullcrap. I see and hear just as much twisted ideological arguments coming from Canadians as I hear from Americans. America has no monopoly on fuzzy political understandings and/or ideology.

As noted above, shall I describe in detail about how policy is made in Canada for example? It ain't exactly democratic or very pretty either...

[JMLot]

And that justifies your personal insult eh jviehe?

Shall I just assume that to insult those you disagree with is particularly American trait?

Btw, it is closer to 35% of the GDP - we are very competitive in your markets. And we don't have any choice in the security thing. Your government doesn't permit choice in that policy field. Just review JFK's administration's relations with Canada and you will (perhaps) understand why it is that so many Canadians really do dislike the USA. Your government has done lots of nasty things up here. Can you say CIA 'mind-control' experiments in Montreal perhaps? Or JFK's successful overthrow of one of our elected governments? Indeed.

But that is all beside the point. The only point here is jviehe's personal insult. For that, I have only extreme contempt for you jviehe - as I once was willing to give you respect. No more. Only contempt from me now. You are no different than WEB - cut from the same cloth.

I thought the point here was Canadian lack of understanding how America works. Maybe thats a Canadian trait, much like our propensity for disliking and insulting Canada. If you guys ever get your nose out of the air and do something good for the world, then maybe our tone will change. But as long as you think you know us becuase you watch CNN, we are going to have issues.

Heck, lets go back to what Danny first posted

Its dirty ploy by republicans to get what they want and to scare off no voters for fear of being anti-military. Is this how you think government shoudl be run?

Bill should be single measures only. Is there anyone here that disagrees with me and that truely believes this is the best way to run the country? If an American said that to you, that your political party sucks, and here is the best way to run your country, what would you say?

[FBtquXT8]

I'm hardly going to defend Danny here, however, your insult to me cannot be overlooked.

I too live in Canada, so I guess I can't be expected to think things though either.

By your words you shall be known.

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As for "more oil", ANWR is a mere drop in the bucket of US oil consumption. The USA has never been dependent upon any Middle Eastern oil.

Canada, Mexico and Venezuela supply almost all of US oil imports. Given that Canada has now officially been moved to the #2 spot on the world's listing of proven reserves, I don't think the USA has any strategic weakness in their oil supply.

However, if jackass Americans keep insulting Canada as often as they do, perhaps you just might end up with some long term supply problems here...

MM I do not disagree with this. Nor do I disagree witht he fact that America has meddled in Canadian politic, hell why should Canada be the only nation on the face of the globe not to have to endure this littel penchant we have . However it seems to me Canada is no slouch when it comes to interefering in internal affairs of another nation. You Canada tries to direct our trade policy as much as it can, just look at the Canadian governments list of items they want to accomplish with respect to US laws and trade policies. There is a list somewhere I found when debating, um educating, baily on this very topic. Damn near every fairly good sized nation on earth employs the service of a lobyist in Washington DC. THey do not do it to help out the US lobbyists unemployment rate.

Like you we too get tired of hearing the cry from up north, those of us that bother to listen, coming from those that have the largest mouths, even if their brains aren't of simular size. You know who these people are, they are the ones that complain about softwood and threaten us with retaliation, that complain about pollution and threaten us with relatiation, that complain about border control and threaten us with retaliation, that basically just love to complain about us and threaten retaliation. And that retaliation always seems to take the form of energy, whether it is oil, gas or electricity. Are some of these complaints valid? Perhaps just as some of ours are, but why the threats. We all know that approximately 71% of you imports come from the US, and that equals out to about only 25% of our exports. And while you are our largest trading partner the canadian part of our overall imports is still I believe under 40%. These threats are just silly because while if they were to ever come true yes they would hurt us short term, but the reulting economic rtalliation would destroy teh Canadian economy for at least the next couple of years while you tried to find other markets.

Moerover that economic destruction would likely snowball into a world wide recession if not depression, and this is only the rosiest of scenarios from any Canadian retalliation against the US for some percieved insult or threat. I mean if you really believe the worst about us, and lets be honest that seems to be en vougue these days, we do share an awful long border and you do have an awful weak military. Furthermore if Canadians and the rst of the world in general believes we are so gullible as to allow ourselves to get worked up by a couple of statements from the Whitehouse and some stories from the new media, well have you ever seen the movie Canadian Bacon?

So please stop the sillyness. I accept you have you idiots like bailey. You accept that we have ours, like the poster you were discussing this with. And we probably have more idiots than you do, but remember our population is 10 times yours.

[Bondjrno]

I thought Mad_Michael was on my side..apparently not. BTW living in Canada allows me to think things through to a level not possible in the US what with this neocon propaganda flying around.

Hows this for thinking clearly? 90% of people on Earth believe in a supreme being therefore thats the norm. 90% of the people on Earth believe the US is fucked and going int he wrong direction. That means your wrong and we are right. Sucks to be you. You'd be in deep shit if we cut off your oil btw. I suggest you pay more attention to who your friends are.

From your sigline, I see that your website is in both English and French. Are you, by chance, French Canadian? If so, that would explain a lot.

[Mearticbaibre]

Best way to run a country? No.

The actual way that the USA is run? Certainly it is.

Shall we wait while some rightwinger digs up some favoured liberal legislation that entered life through being 'tacked on' to some unrelated Bill? Shouldn't take very long...

Fact is, 'tacking on' such supplementary riders onto already approved legislation is a very, very common tactic in Congress. Indeed, evidence suggests that 'tack-ons' can be quite substantial and even can bypass Congress itself... amazing system actually, if you follow the process through.

Amazing that it works and no one has charged Congress with fraud yet.

But don't trying throwing rocks here Danny. I could probably make you rather indignant if I were to thoroughly describe how legislation is achieved up here in Canada. The process is different than that of the USA, but not much prettier.

In other words, the Republican action in this case is no more dirty than any other legislative initiative in the USA. Perfectly normal - it ain't pretty, but it is apparently legal and very common.

Frankly, I agree completely with the Canadian Gent I have long beleived that this function of the government is one of the things (perhqps the major thing) which should be changed. IMHO no bill (repeat) absolutely NO BILL, should be attached to by any ammendment or addition, unless it is in the same realm as the original bill. As he said: Each should be an individual bill. and for the reasons stated. Example, Pork barrel bills would have to stand on their own, and sink or swim on their own merits. and a case in point was McCain's torture bill. While I was in favor of it, he had also attached it to another bill that was sure to pass "just in case". IMO that is wrong.