[Hamucevasiop]

These guys, being illegal, have no rights, which makes it easy for their employers to abuse and exploit them. But it's still sometimes better than what they have in Mexico, so they keep coming.

[en-druzhba]

These guys, being illegal, have no rights, which makes it easy for their employers to abuse and exploit them. But it's still sometimes better than what they have in Mexico, so they keep coming.

What "rights" do their employers abuse and exploit?

[HotDolly]

What "rights" do their employers abuse and exploit?

Natural human rights.

Also rights that legal workers would have.

[lE3l6Lgn]

Natural human rights.

Also rights that legal workers would have.

Such as?

[Immerymopay]

What "rights" do their employers abuse and exploit?

I don't need you anymore ( no unemployment benefits)

Just do the job, let me worry about safety equipment (no OSHA or workmans comp)

Overtime pay? WTF are you talking about Poncho?

Social Security? ( Yep, many are here for life)

[WoCTrt0X]

I don't need you anymore ( no unemployment benefits)

Which shouldn't exist as a governmentally mandated program

Just do the job, let me worry about safety equipment (no OSHA or workmans comp)

Which shouldn't exist as a governmentally mandated program

Overtime pay? WTF are you talking about Poncho?

Which shouldn't exist as a governmentally mandated program

Social Security? ( Yep, many are here for life)

Which they wouldn't be able to collect anyway, if they're under 35, along with it being an immoral, corrupt and loathsome ponzi scheme that should not exist.

If Americans truly think that workers have a "right" to steal from other workers and their employers, America is indeed a sad, sad country.

[VawSwaspamups]

Which shouldn't exist as a governmentally mandated program



Which shouldn't exist as a governmentally mandated program



Which shouldn't exist as a governmentally mandated program



Which they wouldn't be able to collect anyway, if they're under 35, along with it being an immoral, corrupt and loathsome ponzi scheme that should not exist.

If Americans truly think that workers have a "right" to steal from other workers and their employers, America is indeed a sad, sad country.

Shouldn't isn't a component of reality MIB. OSHA, State and Federal Unemployment, Mandated ovetime pay are going to be here for at least your lifetime. Now Social Security.....................

[ZAtlLVos]

Shouldn't isn't a component of reality MIB.

Morality has quite a big place in reality.

OSHA, State and Federal Unemployment, Mandated ovetime pay are going to be here for at least your lifetime.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Now Social Security.....................

Well, so goes all social programs.

[MpNelQTU]

Morality has quite a big place in reality.



I find your lack of faith disturbing.



Well, so goes all social programs.

As you age ( as I have ) you make a clearer distinction between what is possible and what is probable. This is not faith based, it more like a scientific equasion.

[surefireinvest]

As you age ( as I have ) you make a clearer distinction between what is possible and what is probable. This is not faith based, it more like a scientific equasion.

"Faith" was a convenient word, I did not mean literal (religious) faith.

What I desire is perfectly possible, even probable if I work to bring it about. Great works of social change have been done in the past, and I am a man of no mean ability; so I have every confidence in my ability to succeed at my assigned task.

[mussmicky]

"Faith" was a convenient word, I did not mean literal (religious) faith.

What I desire is perfectly possible, even probable if I work to bring it about. Great works of social change have been done in the past, and I am a man of no mean ability; so I have every confidence in my ability to succeed at my assigned task.

I also did not use the word "faith" in a religous context. And I'm not saying lay down for 'em......just don't expect too much.

[Logaleta]

I also did not use the word "faith" in a religous context. And I'm not saying lay down for 'em......just don't expect too much.

I don't. I expect everything I deserve - which is all that I want.

[HugoSimon]

I don't. I expect everything I deserve - which is all that I want.

Excellent.

Because you will get it.

Don't forget your statement here

We ALL generally end up with what we deserve.

Enjoy now.

[Ilaubuas]

If you make entrance into the most prosperous country in the world as difficult as it is, why are you surprised when people are willing to break the law to come over?

Tell me - what moral purpose is served by restricting immigration and making it so difficult to come here, as we have?

Dont you think its a good idea to know who is immigrating to the country?
I am all FOR immigration, LEGAL immigration, that way they get a REAL SSN, pay taxes like the rest of us etc...

I am just against ILLEGALS is all, they take FROM the system but dont put INTO the system.
Also when they use bogus SSN's, if the person that has that number legally is still alive, then their benifits are affected did you know that?

[uncoodync]

Next time you eat a strawberry from California or citrus from Florida, tell me again that illegals put nothing into the system.

[VewCoorkPow]

I don't need you anymore ( no unemployment benefits)

Just do the job, let me worry about safety equipment (no OSHA or workmans comp)

Overtime pay? WTF are you talking about Poncho?

Social Security? ( Yep, many are here for life)

Plus numerous others that they don't even realize they are entitled to (or at least WOULD be IF they were legal)

First on the list is equal and reasonable pay for work done.

[datingcrew]

Dont you think its a good idea to know who is immigrating to the country?
I am all FOR immigration, LEGAL immigration, that way they get a REAL SSN, pay taxes like the rest of us etc...Agreed

I am just against ILLEGALS is all, diddo

they take FROM the system but dont put INTO the system.Weeeellllll Maybe, maybe not

Also when they use bogus SSN's, if the person that has that number legally is still alive, then their benifits are affected did you know that?HE HE HE, "BAD" choice of arguement. True those benefits are affected, but to the better (usually)

(I want to stop the illegals too)

[adariseediups]

Dont you think its a good idea to know who is immigrating to the country?
I am all FOR immigration, LEGAL immigration, that way they get a REAL SSN, pay taxes like the rest of us etc...

I do think its a good idea to know who comes in. Which is what my proposal does - if you'd actually pay attention.

Go back and look. I believe it was done on page 3.

I am just against ILLEGALS is all, they take FROM the system but dont put INTO the system.
Also when they use bogus SSN's, if the person that has that number legally is still alive, then their benifits are affected did you know that?

Hey, theft is theft is theft. Just because the illegals are showing everyone that socialized medicine is theft in terms nobody can skip over, instead of forcing me to explain to everyone that socialized medicine is theft by nature through the use of explaining the relative value put in of the men who use it vs the men who do not, does not make THEM morally culpable.

You want people to stop taking "from" the system without putting the same amount back "in"? GET RID OF THE SYSTEM!

Plus numerous others that they don't even realize they are entitled to (or at least WOULD be IF they were legal)

First on the list is equal and reasonable pay for work done.

Those aren't "rights," and they're immoral meddling in the economy besides

[AOE6q4bu]

Those aren't "rights," and they're immoral meddling in the economy besides

You beleive that fair and reasonable wages for a worker is Immoral????

[HakTaisanip]

You beleive that fair and reasonable wages for a worker is Immoral????

I think there is no such thing as you picking an arbitrary number and then declaring that its "fair and reasonable." "Fair and reasonable" is what a worker is willing to work for.