[ZIZITOPER]

As I said when he was first picked to be DNC chairman, Howard Dean is the greatest thing that ever happened to the Republican Party, maybe except for Hillary and her 1993 health care boondoggle that got the Dems tossed out of every majority in govt in 1994.

Dean is a living, breathing example of how absurd and hysterical the leaders of the party have become. If he keeps up comments like this, Bush could run for a third term and win in a walk.

Keep up the good work, Demmies!

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http://www.drudgereport.com/flash6.htm

Drudge Flash: Dem Chair Dean Claims President Turning Country Into Iran…
Thu Feb 09 2006 10:41:10 ET

This morning on ABC's GOOD MORNING AMERICA, Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean attacked President Bush for turning the United States into Iran.

Dean: "All we ask is that we not turn into a country like Iran where the President can do anything he wants."

Developing...

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*I know, no 3rd terms. Relax, willya.....

[TubOppomo]

Howard Dean is the greatest thing that ever happened to the Republican Party, maybe except for Hillary and her 1993 health care boondoggle that got the Dems tossed out of every majority in govt in 1994.

If you're implying that the Republican party owes it's success solely on the failures of democrats, you must not have a very positive outlook of the Republican party.

[italertb]

If you're implying that the Republican party owes it's success solely on the failures of democrats, you must not have a very positive outlook of the Republican party.

I don't think he has an "look" on anything except the Democratic Party. I've never seen a post from him mentioning any other topic.

Btw, Dean has been extremely active over the last six months, that's for sure. Probably the most active Democrat out there at this time.

[Serereids]

As I said when he was first picked to be DNC chairman, Howard Dean is the greatest thing that ever happened to the Republican Party, maybe except for Hillary and her 1993 health care boondoggle that got the Dems tossed out of every majority in govt in 1994.

Dean is a living, breathing example of how absurd and hysterical the leaders of the party have become. If he keeps up comments like this, Bush could run for a third term and win in a walk.

Keep up the good work, Demmies!

While I don't particulary admire Howard Dean and agree he has made some unwise choices in his choice of words, how is Howard Dean the greatest thing that happened to the Republican party? While your dedication to your party is evident, why don't you show some examples that make Howard Dean the best thing that has happened? Making this statement while providing a sound byte doesn't justify your comment.

[Abaanto]

If you're implying that the Republican party owes it's success solely on the failures of democrats, you must not have a very positive outlook of the Republican party.

I interpret what he's saying this way:

Not that democrats are FAILING.

But they've become a very disconnected batch of zealots that most people can't identify with.

What they SAY.

How the ACT.

The ideas the say they support.

Fact is, most of us see them as a very odd group.

Most of us feel that they are totally disconnected from reality.

The reality that WE live in.

Republicrats ain't doing so hot EITHER.

They seem to be able to connect better with most Americans at least though.

Maybe a democrat will come along that can pull this act OFF

Stranger things have happened. It certainly isn't going to be a hillary or a kerry or a kennedy or a deano

[ebookinfo]

I interpret what he's saying this way:

Not that democrats are FAILING.

But they've become a very disconnected batch of zealots that most people can't identify with.

What they SAY.

How the ACT.

The ideas the say they support.

Fact is, most of us see them as a very odd group.

Most of us feel that they are totally disconnected from reality.

The reality that WE live in.

Republicrats ain't doing so hot EITHER.

They seem to be able to connect better with most Americans at least though.

Maybe a democrat will come along that can pull this act OFF

Stranger things have happened. It certainly isn't going to be a hillary or a kerry or a kennedy or a deano

Most of us? Most Americans? You sure speak for a lot of people, I guess. Last I checked, the support for Democrats and Republicans was hovering near 50/50...with support for Democrats increasing and support for Republicans declining.
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The political whore that is the swing voter...

[JRixlcvF]

Nevermind those silly facts, man. What did Rush and O'Reilly say? That's what's important. They're the only ones looking out for us.

[PlayboyAtWork]

Nevermind those silly facts, man. What did Rush and O'Reilly say? That's what's important. They're the only ones looking out for us.

I guess you're right.

It's human nature and very comforting to believe that "most of the people" are in agreement with what one says. Reality, though, is usually much different...

[mikaelluioy]

Nevermind those silly facts, man. What did Rush and O'Reilly say? That's what's important. They're the only ones looking out for us.

I dont listen to rush or watch o'reilly but all I see from the dems is rhetoric. They criticize the republicans for their vision and plans but they dont put out a plan of their own. Recently all they have been doing is calling for one investigation after another. I am not crazy about the repbulican vision but atleast they have one out there, where is the democrats plan and vision???

Even many of the posters in here that are democrats have yet to p ut up a valid plan. The way I was raised is if you have a problem with how something is going, you better have a plan ready to go before you open your mouth.

[dumadegg]

I dont listen to rush or watch o'reilly but all I see from the dems is rhetoric. They criticize the republicans for their vision and plans but they dont put out a plan of their own. Recently all they have been doing is calling for one investigation after another. I am not crazy about the repbulican vision but atleast they have one out there, where is the democrats plan and vision???

Even many of the posters in here that are democrats have yet to p ut up a valid plan. The way I was raised is if you have a problem with how something is going, you better have a plan ready to go before you open your mouth.

Okay, we'll disregard the fact that the Democrats aren't running the country at the moment, therefor they aren't obligated to have plans for anything (that's the Republicans' job right now)

One of the wacky side effects of partisanship is the inability to listen to the other side or actively figure out what they're talking about. Of course the Democrats aren't going to seem to have solutions if you don't take the time to find out what they are. The fact of the matter is, they do have solutions, but they are usually disregarded by partisan Republicans right out of the gate, simply because they came from Democrats.

Conversely, many Democrats also complain that the Republicans have no plan in Iraq, Afghanistan, Social Security, the economy, etc...of course we know they do have a plan, but since the Democrats don't like them, they (or any partisan on either side) will equate "plan I don't like" to "no plan at all".

Just my opinion.

[Eltabaco]

Okay, we'll disregard the fact that the Democrats aren't running the country at the moment, therefor they aren't obligated to have plans for anything (that's the Republicans' job right now)

Well, in about a year there will be elections and if they wish to regain control of the house and senate dont you think it would be a good idea to have a plan out there for voters with a mind to think about?

One of the wacky side effects of partisanship is the inability to listen to the other side or actively figure out what they're talking about. Of course the Democrats aren't going to seem to have solutions if you don't take the time to find out what they are. The fact of the matter is, they do have solutions, but they are usually disregarded by partisan Republicans right out of the gate, simply because they came from Democrats.

What is their plan on Social Security?
The Economy?
The War in Iraq?
Healthcare?
Deficit?

If they have a plan on any of the above, what is their solution and how do they wish to impliment their plans?

Conversely, many Democrats also complain that the Republicans have no plan in Iraq, Afghanistan, Social Security, the economy, etc...of course we know they do have a plan, but since the Democrats don't like them, they (or any partisan on either side) will equate "plan I don't like" to "no plan at all".

All I hear is criticizim, nothing constructive.

Just my opinion.

Which your entitled too.

[Emapymosy]

Well, in about a year there will be elections and if they wish to regain control of the house and senate dont you think it would be a good idea to have a plan out there for voters with a mind to think about?

As I said later on in the post, they do have plans for the future of the country. You don't hear as much coverage on those plans or any action on those plans because they aren't running the country at the moment. Plans that will effect us now and that are being debated now will take up much more of the 'spotlight'.
What is their plan on Social Security?
The Economy?
The War in Iraq?
Healthcare?
Deficit?

If they have a plan on any of the above, what is their solution and how do they wish to impliment their plans? I hope you're not trying to prove a point based on my unwillingness to outline the entire Democratic platform for you.

Here are some sources that should help, though, if you have the time to look through them:
http://www.democrats.org/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
http://www.dlc.org/
http://www.dscc.org/

All I hear is criticizim, nothing constructive. Perhaps you need to listen a bit more? Or at least start listening to other sources? Both parties are very vocal about their ideas to anyone willing to listen...

Which your entitled too. As are you.

[doksSirmAdods]

As I said later on in the post, they do have plans for the future of the country. You don't hear as much coverage on those plans or any action on those plans because they aren't running the country at the moment. Plans that will effect us now and that are being debated now will take up much more of the 'spotlight'.

I hope you're not trying to prove a point based on my unwillingness to outline the entire Democratic platform for you.

Here are some sources that should help, though, if you have the time to look through them:
http://www.democrats.org/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
http://www.dlc.org/
http://www.dscc.org/


Perhaps you need to listen a bit more? Or at least start listening to other sources? Both parties are very vocal about their ideas to anyone willing to listen...


As are you.

I have gone thru the DU and to be honest it turns my stomach. Wayyy too much hatred on that site to take it seriouisly.

Just checked out Democrats.org, and they have some good ideas but nothing spelled out as to how they plan on implimenting them. The anti bush rhetoric on the sidebars take away somewhat from the message on the page tho.

The DLC site isnt too bad, I will have to check it out to see whats there.

The last site is a bit inacurate for OHio. It has DeWine running again for Senate and he is NOT running, he is done at the end of this term.

Of the 4 DLC is one I will have to look at, but at a quick glance I didnt see much there.

I still say tho, if the democrats want to regain power they need to get their message out there. Unlike many voters out there I dont vote a straight ticket, I look at the issues and the candidates and then go from there.

Last local election a candidate for city council was going door to door. I put him on the spot on several issues, I asked h im striaght out what he thought of certain things that effect me and my home(flooding issues, bad roads etc..) Then I looked at what he said in interviews, talked to other people on the street I live on. He told us one thing, but was totally different in his interviews, he didnt get my vote. I hold ALL politicians to that level, now I understand state and federal level cant do EVERYTHING they say they want to do and thats ok, but, atleast make an attempt and keep consistent on what you say. When I see that in a candidate they will get my vote, its too bad more voters are not this way, if they were maybe we wouldnt have the corruption and mess we do now in DC and at many state levels.

[DoctorTentonyya]

I have gone thru the DU and to be honest it turns my stomach. Wayyy too much hatred on that site to take it seriouisly.

Just checked out Democrats.org, and they have some good ideas but nothing spelled out as to how they plan on implimenting them. The anti bush rhetoric on the sidebars take away somewhat from the message on the page tho.

The DLC site isnt too bad, I will have to check it out to see whats there.

The last site is a bit inacurate for OHio. It has DeWine running again for Senate and he is NOT running, he is done at the end of this term.

Of the 4 DLC is one I will have to look at, but at a quick glance I didnt see much there.

I still say tho, if the democrats want to regain power they need to get their message out there. Unlike many voters out there I dont vote a straight ticket, I look at the issues and the candidates and then go from there.

I do agree with you to an extent. Although the Democratic party does have ideas to tackle issues our country faces, they do tend to focus too much on the "We don't agree with Republicans" side, rather than the "This is what we think will work better" side.

Personally, although thus far I've been arguing on the side of Democrats, I would much more prefer a Republican style government. Simply because my political mantra has always been "the less government the better". However, I don't agree with the Bush administration and voted Democrat the last two years simply because I didn't like the administrations ideas. I'll freely admit that my vote was more against Bush than it was for Democrats. It was this point when I actually started to weed through all the "We're not Republicans" rhetoric some Democrats constantly spew out and actually started reading their take on the issues. They have some good ideas, they have some ideas I don't agree with. At this point, I'd still rather vote for a Moderate Republican than a Democrat, though...

Last local election a candidate for city council was going door to door. I put him on the spot on several issues, I asked h im striaght out what he thought of certain things that effect me and my home(flooding issues, bad roads etc..) Then I looked at what he said in interviews, talked to other people on the street I live on. He told us one thing, but was totally different in his interviews, he didnt get my vote. I hold ALL politicians to that level, now I understand state and federal level cant do EVERYTHING they say they want to do and thats ok, but, atleast make an attempt and keep consistent on what you say. When I see that in a candidate they will get my vote, its too bad more voters are not this way, if they were maybe we wouldnt have the corruption and mess we do now in DC and at many state levels. Once again, I agree.

[Old-old-Ivy]

Most of us? Most Americans? You sure speak for a lot of people, I guess. Last I checked, the support for Democrats and Republicans was hovering near 50/50...with support for Democrats increasing and support for Republicans declining.
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The political whore that is the swing voter...

Oh.

You were able to dig up some "sources" supporting an attempt at making what I said meaningless by claiming that I'm trying to "speak for a lot of people".

Here's the deal:

Support for democrats may LOOK like it's increasing.

It may BE increasing.

I doubt it.


"Sourcing" some polls does ZIPZERONADDA.


Let's see who gets voted into the offices. I have to say I still support what I said:




they've (democrats) become a very disconnected batch of zealots that most people can't identify with.

Fact is, most of us see them as a very odd group.

Most of us feel that they are totally disconnected from reality.

The reality that WE live in.

Republicrats ain't doing so hot EITHER.


Read the last sentence there. Still, the dummyrats are so busy making asses of themselves .... I guess we'll see what happens

[mirex]

Let's hope the DNC's actions in the '06 elections match Dean's rhetoric.

What has happened in the past is that the $$ come in and the rhetoric becomes empty words not followed by actions.

[krasniyluch]

I dont listen to rush or watch o'reilly but all I see from the dems is rhetoric. They criticize the republicans for their vision and plans but they dont put out a plan of their own. Recently all they have been doing is calling for one investigation after another. I am not crazy about the repbulican vision but atleast they have one out there, where is the democrats plan and vision???

Even many of the posters in here that are democrats have yet to p ut up a valid plan. The way I was raised is if you have a problem with how something is going, you better have a plan ready to go before you open your mouth.

If you disagree with a liberal, one of the first things they'll do is call you a dittohead or a bushbot or say you listen to hush bimbo or the leprechaun.

I listen to micheal savage, but I DO *ga-a-a-a-a-sssspUH* think for myself.

Anywho, what I'm saying will get persistently dismissed as irrelevant or whatnot because I like and listen to micheal savage.

"Oh those democrats have a plan. They WILL be able to make a comeback and reconnect with Americans."

Well, and they MIGHT.

When/if they start behaving like normal people and are able to make a connection and communicate with people.

Which is a nice way of saying:

"When they all pull their thumbs outta each others asses."

[OnerePeepsy]

If you disagree with a liberal, one of the first things they'll do is call you a dittohead or a bushbot or say you listen to hush bimbo or the leprechaun.

Just curious, Thane, what other groups of people do you mass generalize with negative stereotypes?

In addition, when a liberal stereotypes you as a "dittohead" or "bushbot", how different are you when you stereotype them right back?

Just wondering..

[Hbkj89D2]

Nevermind those silly facts, man. What did Rush and O'Reilly say? That's what's important. They're the only ones looking out for us.

Actually O'Reilly had a pretty good section last night on the Democrat Party.
As he has always said - it is important that there be at minimum two viable parties. As he has always said - the primary problem with the Democrat party is their terrible PR rating. The Democrat party has allowed itself to be closely aligned with Hollywood nuts, radicals like Soros, Moore and Franken.

Mainstream people cannot identify with these people. The majority of Democrats in the Federal government are not far-leftist, most are centered. But they have quitely allowed quacks like Dean, Gore, Kennedy and Hildebeast to be the spokespeople - middle America is PUT OFF by these talking heads.

Then you have the ACLU, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and loonies like Cindy Sheenan etc. that are taking the main limelight that are the only ones making themselves heard on the left.

The majority Democrat party DESPERATELY need to focus together, agree on a common argument against conservative issues, AND AGREE ON SOLUTIONS - and present them collectively. - Do this, and the Republicans will lose their Iron grip - continue down the same insane path Dean and crew have pulled the party down - and the Republicans will win even bigger.

You can quote me in November.

[dosugxxx]

Just curious, Thane, what other groups of people do you mass generalize with negative stereotypes?

Why are you asking ME ?

At WORST I'm only guilty of copycatting a tactic used by liberals

Yeah, THAT pisses me of. I shouldn't copy liberals. Dumb dumb dumb.

Hey, I'm willing to admit it when I do something foolish.

Lets see a liberal pull THAT off

No.

With them you get complex word games of CYA.

In addition, when a liberal stereotypes you as a "dittohead" or "bushbot", how different are you when you stereotype them right back?

Just wondering..

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