[poonnassunlix]

Bastards.

[secondmortgagek]

low fat instead of half and half.

They wouldn't dare make that mistake; the gun would guarantee that in advance. Did you ever see a barkeep hand a gunslinger the wrong drink?

Come to think of it, might get you better service at the Duane-Reade, too.

And those long Friday afternoon waits in the bank line ... do they let you carry in a bank?



They ought to give you more, just for having to stand in line.

[SashaLionx]

Did you ever see a barkeep hand a gunslinger the wrong drink?

Always wanted to say (darkly), "Leave the bottle." Somehow, doesn't seem right without a Stetson and a Colt.

[imnaone]

In NY? Yeah they do. It's very hard to get a permit, especially in NYC.

In many other places in the US, it's pretty easy.

BBMW: As far as I can tell, no one here is saying that people should not be allowed to have guns.

[Chubrehege]

Hard to get one does not mean they can't.

And by "here", I think he is talking about the forum, not the US.

[Preegovesem]

IMHO "ease" is not desirable. Yes, people should be able to have guns but with plenty of controls and restrictions on who can have them and for what reason.

[yatrahnualenu]

Socialist.

By the time you're through with us, we'll have no precious bodily fluids.

That is, unless we stand up to you now.



Make that latte a grande.

[Zhgrlpil]

Criminals tend to commit crimes in high density areas. More opportunities, and easier to disappear into the landscape.

The ratio of police to population is comparable to that of cities where carrying handguns is permitted.

No, NYC, even with it's large population has a higher density of police than any other large city. A while ago I found a website who's author did a per capita analysis of gov't employment. NYC had about twice the police per 100,000 residents than anywhere else on his list (which included all the major cities in the US).


People get victimized everywhere. If anything, you could make a case for less guns=less crime.
Maybe, theoretically, on a national basis. But on a national basis guns aren't going away. We have full democratic control of Washington, and gun control isn't even on their agenda (at least for the moment).

This means that NYC has to deal with the guns situation as it currently exists. This means that criminals have essentially unfettered access to guns, while people who wish to respect the law are essentially defenseless.

Also, on any kind of statistical basis, it's not the legal gunowners that ar the problem it's the criminals. States that had strict laws on legal carry, than then loosened those laws to allow easier permitting, have not seen an increase in gun related crime.


Owning a handgun in areas where police response is delayed or nonexistent isn't the same as carrying a handgun into a retail establishment in a city. I have a place in the Adirondacks. By NYC standards, it's isolated. When the kids were little, I kept a rifle and handgun. Why? Are the cops likely to walk into your store as it's being held up? It's right at the point/time of attack that you need the gun (witness the incident at the restaurant supply house in Harlem).

[Roamsaffots]

You're talking a year and half, and several hundred dollars, and that for a target permit. Carry permits are unobtainable unless you fit into a specific class of busniess (carry cash, jewelery, etc).

This issue isn't a legitmate background check. The issue is that the city/state make the system intentionally and unnecessarily long, difficult, and expensive to discourage people from applying.

I have no problem with a criminal conviction, mental health ruling background check. But what should that take? Let's say 20 business days and $50. This is not theoretical. Years ago, when I live in Jersey, I went throught this. It was about that. No big deal. But, more than that, and they're playing games.

As far as people on the board saying people can't have guns, that depends on the person.

Hard to get one does not mean they can't.

And by "here", I think he is talking about the forum, not the US.

[WournGona]

... We have full democratic control of Washington ...

There's the root of the problem -- damned democracy!

What do the people know, anyway?