[FailiaFelay]

This Staten Island artist protested in front of their church:

http://photos.silive.com/advance/201...s_protest.html

http://scottlobaido.com/phelps-portrait-auction

[Obenuearema]

We are getting OT.

This is not about the WBC....

[Cheaperisdeeper]

Thanx, Ninja! I agree!

In MY book, if a preson dies, then sadly, so be it.

Nothing else can be done except to bid the person fairwell and pay your respects to him or her having gone off into the heavens. In most cases, I DO respect the dead. I'd never denounce or picket attending a funeral under normal circumstances, even if it was the friend or relative of a friend.

[feqlmwtuqx]

Report: Jobs funeral Friday, ceremony private



Fri Oct 7, 4:52 PM EDT

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the funeral for Apple co-founder Steve Jobs is being held Friday.

The newspaper cited an unnamed person familiar with the matter. The person described the ceremony as a small private gathering. The person would not say where or when Friday the funeral is taking place.

Apple would say only that no public funeral services are planned. Apple has invited the public to send memories, thoughts and condolences to rememberingsteve(at)apple.com

Jobs died Wednesday at 56. Apple Inc. announced no cause of death, but Jobs had been diagnosed with a rare pancreatic cancer seven years ago and had a liver transplant in 2009.

Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[gardenerextraordinaire]

Shocking. Knew he was sick, but not that sick

One of the few people where adjectives like Visionary, Genius, Titan seem weak. He'll be remembered a century from now like Edison, Bell, or Tesla.

To compare Jobs to true innovators such as Edison, Bell or Tesla, surely must be a joke?

The reasons for the commercial success of Apple are the renovation and refinement of several established products, driven by design, interface and brand. Yet the responsibility for these elements originates not from Jobs, but the likes of Schiller, Ive, Forstall and Mansfield. Yet I would still struggle to compare any of these individuals to the likes of Tesla and other drivers of humanity. Steve Jobs was a shareholder and CEO of a corporate giant that produced highly desired consumer products with high margins.

What makes the situation more farcical is that the guy wasn't particularly nice. As already mentioned Jobs didn't believe in charity (he cancelled all donations when he returned to Apple), and it was only last month under the new CEO that Apple began a scheme to match employee charity donations.

Jobs even lied in court (claiming he was 'infertile') to avoid making contributions to the upbringing of his own daughter. You then have his erratic and juvenile people management skills and how he treated friends like Steve Wozniak.

Ultimately I think it’s a damning verdict on society and the dominance of consumerism if someone like Jobs can be held aloft by many. It’s interesting, because Professor Ralph Steinman who was also a fellow victim of pancreatic cancer, and passed away shortly before Jobs only received mention in the media because he died less than a week before he was due to receive his Nobel prize. Yet Professor Steinman’s work and discoveries within the field of the human immune system will have unparalleled benefits for untold number of people for decades, if not centuries to come.

[poekfpojoibien]

I recently posted this on a different thread here, but to reiterate, while it is true Jobs did not invent the PC, it is also true that Henry Ford did not invent the automobile either. That does not mean he was not an innovator. Ford's contribution was the actualization of his vision; he made it possible for everyday working class Americans to a car much in the same way that Jobs made it possible for everyday working class people to own a PC.

Jobs did not invent the personal computer, but his was the first commercially viable unit with a graphic interface. He envisoned a time when the personal computer would be a common household appliance used to facilitate common household tasks, and virtually created an industry geared toward that end. PC's existed before Jobs but they were for the use of hobbyists, and enthusiasts, not everyday lay people.

Technology is not an end to itself; it is about products and proliferation. Sure, the Xerox Perc preceded Apple II. But How many Xerox Perc's were actually sold? Jobs vision was his genius

[MiniBoy]

Ford doesn't belong in that group either. He was an industrialist.

Ford and Jobs belong in the same group.

[byncnombmub]

Yet the responsibility for these elements originates not from Jobs, but the likes of Schiller, Ive, Forstall and Mansfield..

And Douglas Engelbart. Way ahead of his time.

[arraxylap]

I agree. But they were both men of great vision, and innovators in their own right.

[angelxmagic]

^
That's true, but neither were first-order inventors.

[sat23neus2]

The entrepreneur had sometimes been criticized for not wielding his enormous influence and wealth for philanthropy like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates. His death revived speculation that some of his estate might be donated to cancer research groups or hospitals.

“As a founder of (charity) (Product)RED, I’d like to point out that Apple’s contribution to our fight against AIDS in Africa has been invaluable. Through the sale of (RED) products, Apple has been (RED)’s largest contributor to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria — giving tens of millions of dollars that have transformed the lives of more than two million Africans through H.I.V. testing, treatment and counseling. This is serious and significant. And Apple’s involvement has encouraged other companies to step up,” Bono wrote.

Irish Central

[arcalmanard]

To compare Jobs to true innovators such as Edison, Bell or Tesla, surely must be a joke?

The reasons for the commercial success of Apple are the renovation and refinement of several established products, driven by design, interface and brand. Yet the responsibility for these elements originates not from Jobs, but the likes of Schiller, Ive, Forstall and Mansfield. Yet I would still struggle to compare any of these individuals to the likes of Tesla and other drivers of humanity. Steve Jobs was a shareholder and CEO of a corporate giant that produced highly desired consumer products with high margins.

Edison, Bell, nor Tesla were the first people to think of their ideas. There were other people working on the same technologies at the same time. All of these men were standing on the shoulders and on the ideas of the accumulated knowledge before them.

You are very naive if you think that Edison, Bell, and Tesla were literally the only people working on what they invented. And that there was literally no one else working with them.

Edison and Bell were also businessmen and industrialists. Edison built the largest energy company in the world at the time. Bell created the largest telecommunications company in the world at the time.

Steve Jobs was not an engineer or software designer. He was a man who had the vision to harness these disciplines and put all of the pieces together in a way that created powerful tools that were accessible to average every day people.



What makes the situation more farcical is that the guy wasn't particularly nice. As already mentioned Jobs didn't believe in charity (he cancelled all donations when he returned to Apple), and it was only last month under the new CEO that Apple began a scheme to match employee charity donations. What does being a nice person have to do with being an innovative genius?

Jobs was a very private man, he didn't want to be a public philanthropist. So his own philanthropic activity really is unknown.

[nikolapegayyyaasss]

If anyone thinks Bell was the first to think of his idea.... then say "hello" to Antonio Meucci:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002...leducationnews

[Daruhuw]

Ciao Antonio! We think Italians are the niftiest!

As already mentioned Jobs didn't believe in charity (he cancelled all donations when he returned to Apple), and it was only last month under the new CEO that Apple began a scheme to match employee charity donations.

Jobs even lied in court (claiming he was 'infertile') to avoid making contributions to the upbringing of his own daughter. You then have his erratic and juvenile people management skills and how he treated friends like Steve Wozniak. I didn't know these tidbits. I think it's good to be honest about people when they pass on, instead of trying to compose some kind of hagiography.

[Pypeassesty]

People and life are complicated. Jobs had his troubles and shortcomings like every other human being who walks this planet.

I didn't know these tidbits. I think it's good to be honest about people when they pass on, instead of trying to compose some kind of hagiography.

[ladleliDypenue]

Exactly! That's what we're saying.

[Peter Hill]

That's true, but neither were first-order inventors.

Exactly, which is why I equate Jobs with Ford and not with inventors like Edison.

Steve Jobs was not an engineer or software designer. He was a man who had the vision to harness these disciplines and put all of the pieces together in a way that created powerful tools that were accessible to average every day people.

Exactly right.

[RichardHaads]

I disagree with that distinction. One can come up with an idea.

If that person cannot manifest the idea and get it out into the world for people to use it. What good is the idea?

Exactly, which is why I equate Jobs with Ford and not with inventors like Edison.

[Immonnaornach]

I disagree with that distinction. One can come up with an idea.

If that person cannot manifest the idea and get it out into the world for people to use it. What good is the idea?

If you read my prior posts, you'll find that I agree with that statement and for that matter everything else you wrote. In fact a lot of what you wrote directly reflects post 26. Technology is about products and proliferation. The technology is not a ends to itself but rather only useful to the extent that people actually use it.

Again, that was Jobs' genius. He envisioned a society where the PC would be like a common household appliance used to help everyday people to solve everyday problems. And he created products that to fit that demand. He basically 'productized' the technology.

[Jeffery]

People that have an idea, and then create first-order technology that spawns entire industries, and completely change society are at a different plane than people like Jobs.

He didn't invent the mouse. He didn't develop software. The components for his devices were developed elsewhere.

Technology was driving society in the direction to where we are now, Jobs or not. Before the personal computer, there were already educational and business computer networks. I worked with them as early as 1970. The lack of processing power, the need to be hooked up to a mainframe, prevented them from becoming personal. The same thing with handheld devices. They've been around for decades, but were called car-phones, because they were too big to carry around. Advances in battery design, processors, transmission networks, and display screens are what put them in our pockets.