[VIAGRA-VIAGRA]

I also heard about the European who caged his daughter in the basement and rapped her for about 20 years .

[JonnTEN]

Mohamed: would you do this for us?: Tell us about basic human rights in your country... the status of women and homosexuals.

This is an article from Wikipedia reporting about basic human rights in your counrty. According to this article the picture is not very good: is it true? You tell us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Egypt

[peveballery]

I also heard about the European who caged his daughter in the basement and rapped her for about 20 years .

I heard about that, and equally horrendous incidents in the US. The difference is that you said you never heard about Muslim honor killings. Can that be? Have you Googled it?

http://www.google.com/search?q=musli...GGL_en___US228. It even has a Wikipedia page.

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In your first post, you mentioned "western," and later made reference to Europe and America.

What does America have to do with this? I can tell you without a doubt, if anyone murdered anyone in a US courtroom, it would immediately become major news.

And what's a western?

NATO countries? That would include Turkey.

Western capitalist democracies? That would include Japan and Korea.

Predominately Christian? The entire western hemisphere.

It happened in Germany, not in the West.

[DesautocaD]

Ninja,

Is OT = On Topic or = Off Topic? The acronyms can be misleading, and for the non-initiated like me, hard to understand.

Agreed, it usually depends on topic.

When someone says "going OT" that usually means off, but "getting back OT" means on.

Sorry, I just am used to the convention, not the maker thereof!!!


PS - What's with Ornithologists Transporting Oligarchical Hedonists?

[remstaling]

Yes Zip, I Have heard about honor killing, But the reason of it is fornication not loving .

[obegeLype]

And that makes it OK?

[Goodwin]

What does that mean, anyway?

[Queuerriptota]

What, it ruins the "value" of the daughter?

Are female offspring still seen as either property or liabilities? To be given in hopes of either Dowry (I am not sure if this is still practiced), or connections to family?

Not saying that the latter is foreign to us either, but it kind of turns my stomach that a father will kill his DAUGHTER because she slept with someone besides her betrothed.

If anything, you would think the father would try to kill the guy, but I guess that would be a bit difficult. Also, it IS the womans fault for luring the other guy, right?


Mo, sorry if this seems a bit insulting, but just the idea of killing a family member over this is astounding. It is like something out of the middle ages for most of us of European descent, and to think it is still being done in areas of the middle east is very disheartening.

[wrbwrbwrb]

Yes Zip, I Have heard about honor killing, But the reason of it is fornication not loving .

The two often go together. Is fornication a capital offense in Egypt?

Question for you: What is your perception of the lives of Muslims in America?

[Eltabaco]

From recollection in middle ages Europe wouldn't the family member simply be cast out of the family/ village etc? I dont remember ever hearing of them being killed as a typical response.