[SHaEFU0i]

Roadside fingerprint reader piloted

Sixteen UK police forces are trialing a wireless device that will be used to fingerprint drivers they stop.

When the National Identity Register is complete these devices will be used to link into the biometric data that every person in the UK (including Children) will be compelled to provide as part of the ID cards act. When that part of the British police state is implemented the police and other government officials could compel indivduals who are not carrying their Identity Cards to verify their identity agains the national register.


In that instance this and other practices emanating from the NIR are contrary to the common law as enshrined in the Charter of Liberties and Magna Carta. Whilst abused here in the UK these are not arcane rights, they are enshrined in the constitution of the USA:-

"That no freeman ought to be taken, or imprisoned, or disseized of his freehold, liberties, or privileges, or outlawed, or exiled, or in any manner destroyed, or deprived of his life, liberty, or property, but by the judgment of his peers, or by the law of the land." ...taken word for word from Magna Carta. Of course Magna Carta was only intended to protect the liberties of the few, not the many and unfortunately for us, we have no written constitution.

Of course, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

Roadside fingerprint reader piloted

Press Association
Wednesday November 22, 2006 9:28 AM

Police trials of a hand-held electronic fingerprint reader are being launched.

Experts hope the device will save massive amounts of police time and money by allowing officers to identify suspects on the roadside without having to take them to the station.

A pilot scheme - called Project Lantern - will be used in Luton, Bedfordshire, by officers targeting motoring offences.

The gadget allows officers to search 6.5 million fingerprints archived on the National Automated Fingerprint System, with the trial aiming to give them a result within five minutes.

The Home Office's Police Information Technology Organisation (Pito) calculates it could save more than £2.2m a year.

Fingerprints can only be taken from the public voluntarily using the Lantern system because the law will have to be changed before officers can force people to give prints on the street.

Police minister Tony McNulty said: "This trial represents an important step forward in our commitment to ensuring we have an effective and efficient police service fully equipped for the challenges of modern policing.

"The new technology will speed up the time it takes for police to identify individuals at the roadside, enabling them to spend more time on the frontline and reducing any inconvenience for innocent members of the public."

The Lantern device electronically scans the index fingers and sends an encrypted wireless transmission to the central fingerprint database. It scans the database and identifies possible matches.

The other nine forces rolling out the pilot over the next two months are British Transport Police, Essex, Hertfordshire, Lancashire, the Metropolitan police, North Wales, Northamptonshire, West Midlands and West Yorkshire.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/s...232409,00.html

[Forex Autopilot]

What will be the error ratio?



When someone's erroneously incarcerated, what compensation will be offered? An apology?

Did they apologize to the Brazilian's family? Too late to apologize to the Brazilian.

[DoterrFor]

Fingerprinting in the UK?

Hmm.

If memory serves me correctly, when it comes to fingerprint identification, they dont even friggin know what they are doing.

Watch this documentary. Be amazed at chilling incompetence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ma/4986570.stm

[SigNeewfoew]

It should be used as preliminary grounds to warrant additional investigation or checks. If you come up positive, then they would need additional proof that you are not who the tag says you are OR, if the violations under investigation are serious enough, temporary incarceration (just in teh lobby) until proper ID can be established.

Thing is, they have to get the system UP AND RUNNING FIRST before they pass legislation or you will have a bunch of angry peopel to deal with!

[replicamuse]

What will be the error ratio?



When someone's erroneously incarcerated, what compensation will be offered? An apology?

Did they apologize to the Brazilian's family? Too late to apologize to the Brazilian.

No one is ever wrongly incarcerated, you ought to know that....

They did apologise to the Menendezfamily. The family want to sue the police but the only inquirey into that affair is under the Health & Safety at Work Act. No proceedings can be undertaken until that enquirey is dealt with. It may take years. This is widely seen as a device for "kicking it into the long grass".

The officer in charge of that operation, Cressida Dicks was promoted. The officer who emptied his gun into the back of Jean Charles Menendezs' head whilst his colleague held him face dwon on the train was put back on duty on the armed response unit. He recently killed sombody else.

This mobile fingerprint reader is being tested so no data is yet available. Under the official secrets act we have no right to find out the error rate. The government state that if the trials are positive they will ammend the law to make it an offence to refuse to be fingerprinted whether in yor on the street or presumably, in your own home.

The police claim that "up to" 60% of people they stop give wrong information and that this scanner is the solution. Two of my neighbours are in the traffic police, I just asked them if the figure is really that high. They rolled their eyes and laughed. More spurious information....

[appabessy]

Actually, it is a bit scary, but they have to put some buffer in that.

If you are being arrested, you will have to have the check. They need some sort of due process to ID you in public, but that can be somethnig as simple as Jaywalking and we need to draw some lines now before thnigs like this get out of control.

All you need is one reactionary public outcry about one criminal act and you will lose many MANT personal freedoms you were not aware you had until you lost them.

[OnerePeepsy]

If you are being arrested, you will have to have the check.

sounds to me like they can run the "check" for any damn reason they want, and that no arrest -- potential or otherwise -- need be involved.

[uMG6uOSo]

sounds to me like they can run the "check" for any damn reason they want, and that no arrest -- potential or otherwise -- need be involved.

...well there you have it. One event from last week evidences the current mindset of the police; a nurse was seen to "boo" the Prime Minister as he sped along Whitehall. The nurse was arrested and question under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act.

[BluewayAllere]

You should try it teh american way and sue everybody!!!!


But dno't be fooled, it is the same here. If it is just you and the cops, say good bye to any real rights you have. They can pick you up for doing nothing and call it "Disturbing the Peace and Resisting Arrest".

Maybe we should all carry around cameras with us...

Oh, BTW, Tazer incident on Campus here in the states:

From another site I visit:

Did anybody see this? I saw it last night, and it was *tough* to watch. Here's the article...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2663299

The YouTube (and be forewarned- it's not pretty) video of the event is here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs

[Britfunclubs]

I saw that a few days ago ^^^

Outrageous ... the stated policy of the LAPD is now to taze people who are "passively resisting" (i.e. sitting there doing nothing but passively holding their ground) and then when they flop about the LAPD can use that as an excuse to crank it up to the next level.

Beware ... No ID -- which has never been a requirement although it could often get you into trouble -- is now a potentially life-threatening situation.

[xtrudood]

Appalling.

[JakeBarkings]

that youtube clip is why people here in Europe find it so easy to believe that the USA did and does operate the CIA torture express. If they do that to their own citizens in public....

[Thomaswhitee]

lol lol

[teergoBissono]

Humor: the best medicine.

Waiting for something like this to appear on the UCLA matter. (Be a long wait.)

[Theorsell]

UCLA cops obviously need to chill.

HOWEVER:
- It seems to me that the REAL insanity is campus cops checking IDs in teh first place...Why? What's the 'probable cause'? A student union is also not a secure area, it is a 'commons', possible the worst place you can define as a secure area.

- GIVEN that the cop was presumably properly authorized to eject people without ID from the union, in refusing to leave the chap in question was disobeying a police order and interfering with police duties by inciting protest which clearly warrants use of less-than-lethal force. In my, obviously old fashioned book, if a cop reasonably requests you to 'move along', you do it. Now. You can then protest the university's stupid rule.

[KuevDulin]

For your review, regarding the November 14, 2006 tasing of UCLA student Mostafa Tabatabainejad ...

The vid of the incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JGlvEcPmug

Statement from UCLA Acting Chancellor Norman Abrams (November 15): http://newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=7513

A November 15 press release of the police officers' version (pdf) : http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/zippdf...2011-15-06.pdf

Some eye-opening background on the UCLA Police Officer who tased the student: http://www.laist.com/archives/2006/1...rs_at_ucla.php
Some "highlights" of this cops' history:

• fired from the infamous Long Beach PD before hired at UCLA
• accused of using his nightstick to choke a fratboy (resulted in a three month suspension).
• shot a seemingly mentally incompetent homeless man who was trepsassing on campus (it appears this incident is what led UCLA to invest in tasers as an alternative to guns)

UCLA Campus newspaper coverage (The Daily Bruin, November 16): http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

Some info from the Bruin article:

• Tabatabainejad was also stunned with the Taser when he was already handcuffed, said Carlos Zaragoza, a third-year English and history student who witnessed the incident.
• During the altercation between Tabatabainejad and the officers, bystanders can be heard in the video repeatedly asking the officers to stop and requesting their names and identification numbers. The video showed one officer responding to a student by threatening that the student would "get Tased too." At this point, the officer was still holding a Taser.
  
  Such a threat of the use of force by a law enforcement officer in response to a request for a badge number is an "illegal assault," Eliasberg said.
  
  "It is absolutely illegal to threaten anyone who asks for a badge," that's assault," he said.

• Neither the video footage nor eyewitness accounts of the events confirmed that Tabatabainejad encouraged resistance, and he repeatedly told the officers he was not fighting and would leave.

UCLA Undergraduate Students Association Council calls for suspension of officers (Bruin, November 22): http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39084

[Qxkmsxsx]

Just attach a Taser Gun to the assailant's clothing. The Taser Gun will send powerful T-Waves through the wires into the assailantís body. This will jam the criminalís nervous system. The sudden deadlock will cause incapacitation for several minutes.

[Imiweevierm]

I got an up close view of the above taser with the wires being put to use at a Miami protest I attended in 2003. Saw one of the wires hooked into a woman's breast, and fellow protesters trying to remove it. They like to use these litttle toys not just on criminals but for controlling people engaged in civil disobedience. It was very scary.

[Rqvtwlfk]

That cop sounds like a bit of a hard case, agreed. I still think that the university is to blame by empowering cops to perform 'illegal' searches in the dubious search for safety. There is also apparently a culture of permissiveness toward police overstepping their bounds? Obviously officers should be held to higher standards than ordinary citizens.

I'd like to see exemplary sentences in cases of police brutality, if well documented. I don't get from the somewhat frothy coverage whether the student was complying or not. If he was complying reasonably then it's assault. If he was hadncuffed at the time it's aggravated assault and possibly torture, which for a cop should carry, respectively, 20 yrs / life sentence.

Lex, sed lex dura.

[Worseacar]

An interesting question arrises from that incident; what would I have done if I were there? Then, what would I have done to a terrorist attempting to kill or hurt someone, then what would I have done if a fellow soldier who was torturing a prisoner. Would I have stood by passively and watched? What would that have made me? An accomplice? An advocate? A coward?

The law is the law and sometimes it is harsh but then so is a swift kick in the teeth to one human being torturing another.