[accotMask17]

We, the people of Britain, have no say in the matter, fluoride will be added to our water supply, regardless of whether we want it or not - so much for democracy! Would this be tolerated in the US?

Some say Fluoride is a poison:

http://www.lovethetruth.com/truth_about_fluoride.htm

Fluoride to be added to all Britain's tap water to tackle tooth decay

By DANIEL MARTIN - 3rd February 2008

All tap water will have fluoride added

All British water should be treated with fluoride to help beat tooth decay, ministers are set to announce.

Health secretary Alan Johnson will tell MPs that fluoridation is an "effective and relatively easy way" to help poorer children by preventing dental problems in later life.

But the plan will face vociferous opposition from campaigners, who claim it is an unwanted piece of "nanny state" interference which could actually harm people's teeth.

Currently only two areas in England - the north east and the West Midlands - have fluoride automatically added to tap water.

Both the Department of Health and the British Dental Association say there is overwhelming evidence to show that adding fluoride to water helps fight against tooth decay.

Children in non-fluoridated Manchester are twice as likely to have tooth decay as youngsters in Birmingham, where fluoride has been added for over 40 years.

And a study by York University study in 2000 found water fluoridation increased the number of children without tooth decay by 15 per cent.
Today Mr Johnson said: "I want the NHS to do much more to prevent rather than just treat disease.
Fluoridation is an effective and relatively easy way to help address health inequalities, giving children from poorer backgrounds a dental health boost that can last a lifetime.
We have a duty to help the areas with the worst record on tooth decay to discuss this issue and take the necessary steps to improve their dental health."

The British Dental Association, which said it would dramatically improve oral health among the needy.

"It's tragic that, in the 21st century, there are still children as young as five having most or even all of their teeth removed under general anaesthetic as the result of tooth decay," said a spokeswoman.
"Water fluoridation is a positive step in narrowing the health inequalities that currently exist."

The Government will not force water companies to add fluoride to their water but encourage them to do so.

But Mr Johnson in a speech on Tuesday is likely to make grants available for companies to undertake consultation exercises, which are needed before any decision can be taken.

In 2003 ministers passed legislation to make it easier for water companies to fluoridise their water - but few have done so, fearing legal action from anti-fluoride campaigners.

Yesterday the National Pure Water Association, which campaigns against the fluoridation of tap water, claimed studies had linked the practice to brittle bone disease in the elderly and bone cancer in young boys.

They also say it can cause fluorosis, where teeth become stained and the enamel becomes pitted.

A spokesman said: "By presenting fluoridation as a means of preventing tooth decay, health secretary Alan Johnson confirms the practice is medication.
Fluoridation is carried out by water companies in violation of their customers" human right to refuse consent to any medical intervention."

The fluoridation of water is just the latest public health measure being pushed by the Government.

Last May, the Food Standards Council announced that folic acid would be added to flour to prevent birth defects.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

[UltraSearchs]

Would this be tolerated in the US?

Supposedly flying innocent people to foreign countries and torturing them is apparently tolerated, why use the US as an example for peoples freedom and rights?

[Abanijo]

Supposedly flying innocent people to foreign countries and torturing them is apparently tolerated, why use the US as an example for peoples freedom and rights?

What's that got to do with the price of fish?
Didn't the British torture and imprison without trial people in the North of Ireland, didn't they construct the first concentration camps in the Boer War. Come on Alonzo, get back on topic for goodness sake!
Sorry moderators, I'm not trying to do your job.

[PheliarearY]

Capn: The US has been adding flouride to the public water supply for generations.

In the United States, 66% of residents on public water supplies have fluoridated water as of the year 2000 ...

... community water fluoridation in the United States owes its origin in part to the research of Dr. Frederick McKay ... in 1909 ...

The classic epidemiological study to attempt to determine the optimal level of fluoride in water was led by Dr. H. Trendley Dean, a dental officer of the U.S. Public Health Service, in 1934 ...

The issue of whether or not to fluoridate water supplies occasionally arises in local governments. For example, on November 8, 2005, citizens of Mt. Pleasant, Michigan voted 63% to 37% in favor of reinstating fluoridation in public drinking water after a 2004 ballot initiative ceased water fluoridation in the city. We also add chlorine to the water.

[textarchive]

Apparently it's all a commie plot to impurify our precious bodily fluids...

[kaysions]

Though declines in tooth decay are commonly attributed to fluoridated water, similar declines have also occurred in Western countries without the additive.

See this for graphs and data.

There are those that suspect nefarious purposes behind adding fluoride such as creating a docile populace. Considering the countries involved with the practice; Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, and the United States, - it doesn't seem so farfetched.

[werkeeque]

Docile? Absolutely.

We're the most peace-loving and least-likely-to-kill of all citizens on the planet

[santorio]

Your suggesting the US as an example of a country that stands up for the freedom of its citizens and would never possibly do anything against the will of its people, Im providing one of many things that could suggest otherwise. I was challenging your statement, a dumb example that you're using to try and back up your useless UK bashing.

[drugsprevi]

Apparently it's all a commie plot to impurify our precious bodily fluids...

... Dr Strangelove?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=950s0Gs3Yv0

[biannaruh]

All British water should be treated with fluoride to help beat tooth decay, ministers are set to announce.

Is this a cheaper alternative to employing dentists?

[MackBranon]

Is this a cheaper alternative to employing dentists?

Since the government has ensured that the vast majority of dentists no longer want to work in the NHS, this is probably their next move to safeguard the nation's teeth! And, as you say Meerkat, its cheaper!

What concerns me is that Fluoride is a poison!
http://www.lovethetruth.com/truth_about_fluoride.htm

Chlorine is also a poison and was used during WW1 - yet both are deemed safe enough to be put in our water.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...ld_war_one.htm

In about 40 years time a bunch of scientists will be proving that these additions are the cause of .... (name the disease/medical condition) and express amazement that a government could be so stupid as to allow such behaviour!

[Ferrotoral]

Water is a poison when introduced in large doses OR when directly applied to animal cells (makes them explode).

Lesson is, try to keep the chlorine levels low enough so that it eliminates the main problem (organics in the water supply) and does not cause any problems. The biggest problem is not health, but customer satisfaction. Chlorine also tastes bad and smells worse in higher concentrations. You put too much in there, long before it becomes hazardous, your people will simply stop using it.

Kind of defeats the purpose.

[Kayacterype]

Water is a poison

I don't think you can compare water with fluoride or chlorine in terms of harmful effects!
What you're basically saying is that a little bit of poison won't hurt us, (trust us say the government scientists) - well I'd simply like a choice of not having to ingest it thank you.

Thalidomide was a drug that medical scientists reckoned was safe. It was prescribed to millions between 1957-1961 across 50 countries under around 40 different brand names. It was given to pregnant women to combat morning sickness - the result - it caused catastrophic birth defects in babies. You can even still some examples of its terrible effects in some adults today.

[zenihan]

Health secretary Alan Johnson will tell MPs that fluoridation is an "effective and relatively easy way" to help poorer children by preventing dental problems in later life.

Surely encouraging people to regularly brush their teeth would be more effective and easy????? Or am i just being stupid.

The fact is the health secretary (and his predecessor patricia Hewitt) don't know their ar*e from their elbow.

[robinthesearchmasterh]

Pardon me and my stereotypes here, but are Englishmen the BEST people to be talking about dental care and hygene?


I thought Flouride was a way to make it so that spy satilites could pick us up from space.... :crosseyed:

[Imalaycle]

Pardon me and my stereotypes here, but are Englishmen the BEST people to be talking about dental care and hygene?

Why do Americans have SUCH a thing about teeth??
It never fails to amaze me the perfect sets of gleaming white teeth on view when I visit the US ..... and braces on young people ... WHY, WHY??
There seems to be an obsession with teeth over and beyond normal care and attention.

I reckon I can usually pick out Americans from a group, without hearing the accents, simply by looking at their teeth!

Yes, I will admit us Brits don't care too much as long as they don't ache, we can chew on steak, and they look reasonably OK (although probably not OK in American eyes!)

[YpciJQdo]

Long ago, we decided to eliminate Bad Teeth from the National Joke List.

We left that one available for the Brits.

My favorite is our obsession with big breasts.

[Trebbinsa]

My favorite is our obsession with big breasts.

Now that one I understand and share but they have to be natural, not silicone enhanced.

[gMUVgw71]

Next they will be allowing men to kill women that disgrace their families and women will have to cover up entirely. Are you sure you guys are still allowed to vote?? Geeeeez. What's going on over there?

[Gmvkgkmn]

Next they will be allowing men to kill women that disgrace their families and women will have to cover up entirely. Are you sure you guys are still allowed to vote?? Geeeeez. What's going on over there?

Its all happening and the government is doing NOTHING about it, in fact its facilitating it! You really have to live here to believe it.