[GVsdJZ2H]

As Thomas Sowell correctly points out in: The Amnesty Fraud:

Just as people can do many things better for themselves than the government can do those things for them, illegal aliens could begin deporting themselves if they found that their crime of coming here illegally was being punished as a serious crime, and that they themselves were no longer being treated as guests of the taxpayers when it comes to their medical care, the education of their children, and other welfare state benefits. I agree with Mr. Sowell!


Illegal aliens who are caught on our soil, prosecuted and found to have violated our immigration law must be punished with a minimum one year sentence to hard labor…cleaning our roadways, painting our public buildings, maintaining our city parks, etc., and then deported. When the word gets our that getting caught means a jail term and then deportation, instead of medical care, education of their children and other welfare benefits, self deportation will quickly start.

In addition, a $1000 bounty should be paid for identifying businesses who hire illegal aliens, and if found guilty, those who hire illegal aliens should also receive a one year hard labor sentence and are a $10, 000 fine.

After a few successful prosecutions and sentences are handed out for those who hire illegal aliens, I suspect the job market will also dry up giving another reason for illegal aliens to self deport.

The big bluff by our Washington Establishment, that we cannot round up 20 million illegal aliens and deport them is just that __ a big bluff___ we don’t need to round them all up, we only need to make it very, very impractical for them to stay.

I agree 100% with Mr. Sowell on this!


Regards,
JWK

[spamkillerj]

Illegal aliens who are caught on our soil, prosecuted and found to have violated our immigration law must be punished with a minimum one year sentence to hard labor…cleaning our roadways, painting our public buildings, maintaining our city parks, etc. How much do you think that would cost us US taxpayers?

Minimal incarceration alone costs ~ $60K per prisoner / year ...

[immoceefe]

punished with a minimum one year sentence to hard labor…cleaning our roadways, What we've got heah is failure to communicate.

[NEronchik]

That's going to be one big gulag... Why don't we shoot them instead...

[duribass]

You're back! And you've brought the crazy with you.

[cholleyhomeob]

What we've got heah is failure to communicate.

Exactly! When the word gets out that getting caught means a jail term and then deportation, instead of medical care, education of their children and other welfare benefits, self deportation will quickly start.


JWK

[gogona]

That's going to be one big gulag... Why don't we shoot them instead...

Streets are too dirty!

JWK

[dfuzioniag]

Our Constitution says Congress has power :

“To establish a uniform rule of naturalization ….throughout the United States”

“To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions”

“To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers.”


If anyone believes illegal immigration does not present a clear and present danger to the general welfare of the various States and is not spreading across America like wild fire, take the time to study The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration___ Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration

Keep in mind

Legal immigrants are required to have medical screening to ensure that they do not bring any contagious diseases into the United States. Illegal aliens are not screened and many are carrying horrific third world diseases that do not belong in the USA. Many of these diseases are highly contagious and will infect citizens that come in contact with an infected illegal alien. This has already happened in restaurants, schools, and police forces.
How many American citizens have already died because of Congress’s criminal failure to protect our borders from the invasion now taking place?



JWK

[scoundtrack]

Tidbit from the mind of johnwk:

So, you don’t mind them breaking into your home, raping your daughter, running over your son with a stolen car and infecting your spouse with some commutable disease so long as they pick lettuce for you? Source: http://www.xmfan.com/viewtopic.php?t...r=asc&start=15

I wonder what he proposes to do with the U.S. born children of some of those 20 million, while one or both of their parents are tidying up the countryside.

[AlabamaBoyz]

Tidbit from the mind of johnwk:



Source: http://www.xmfan.com/viewtopic.php?t...r=asc&start=15

I wonder what he proposes to do with the U.S. born children of some of those 20 million, while one or both of their parents are tidying up the countryside.

Gee, you do have a preoccupation with me…stalking me around the internet. As to your question, I’m sure one of our many bleeding heart sanctuary cities would be more than happy to foot the bill to care for the children in question until their parents are ready for deportation.

JWK

[leflyCode]

You seem to have a preoccupation with this forum; in fact, dozens of forums.

M.O. for johnwk: He will cite legal precedent in his posts, until he hits a roadblock. He will then resort to some tired political catch phrase.


Stare Decisis since 1898:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._v._Wong_Kim_Ark

[Poohoppesmase]

You seem to have a preoccupation with this forum; in fact, dozens of forums.

M.O. for johnwk: He will cite legal precedent in his posts, until he hits a roadblock. He will then resort to some tired political catch phrase.


Stare Decisis since 1898:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._v._Wong_Kim_Ark

Your court citing fails to follow the most fundamental rule of constitutional law…carrying out the legislative intent of the 14th Amendment as contemplated by those who framed and ratified it.

The very intention of the 14th Amendment and the wording which applies to citizenship in the 14th Amendment was intended to apply to Blacks born in America and was never intended to apply to people who invade our borders who may then give birth and extending citizenship to those born on America soil under such circumstances. But if I am wrong, I am sure you will be glad to provide the documented intentions of those who framed and ratified the 14th Amendment to support the notion the 14th Amendment was intended to grant citizenship to children born on American soil by those who invade our borders.

You may want to START HERE and then get back to me with the documented intentions supporting the notion which the SCOTUS has proffered.

In any event, the primary subject of the thread is the proposed Immigration Reform Act and the con job that we cannot get rid of those who have invaded our borders.

Aside from that, the very purpose of immigration laws passed by Congress is to select who comes into our country, and select those who will not wind up being a financial burden or other type of burden, such as infecting our Nation’s population with various commutable disease which we are now experiencing across our nation from those who are invading our borders!


Tuberculosis, hepatitis, dengue fever, chagas, and even leprosy are being imported into the U.S. inside the bodies of illegal aliens...And you thought they only carried heroin-filled baloons inside their bodies! See:
Illegal Immigrants Are Spreading Dangerous Diseases Across This Nation


JWK

"In construing the Constitution we are compelled to give it such interpretation as will secure the result intended to be accomplished by those who framed it and the people who adopted it...A construction which would give the phrase...a meaning differing from the sense in which it was understood and employed by the people when they adopted the Constitution, would be as unconstitutional as a departure from the plain and express language of the Constitution."
Senate Report No. 21, 42nd Cong. 2d Session 2 (1872), reprinted in Alfred Avins, The Reconstruction Amendments’ Debates 571 (1967),

[bawayTeen]

^
The SCOTUS ruling is STARE DECISIS, regardless of your opinion of the intent of the 14th Amendment.

Immigration Reform Act would not change the citizenship status of these children.

Why don't you answer the question of what to do with them, under the law, instead of resorting to ridiculous stories - or do you intend to follow your last thread and label them transsexuals.

Sowell ignores that many of these 20 million are not living solitary lives in the US, because it's easier to write them off when they don't have families. But many do, and whether you like it or not, their children born in the US are citizens under the law.

[nretdjuend]

^
The SCOTUS ruling is STARE DECISIS, regardless of your opinion of the intent of the 14th Amendment.

Immigration Reform Act would not change the citizenship status of these children.

Why don't you answer the question of what to do with them, under the law, instead of resorting to ridiculous stories - or do you intend to follow your last thread and label them transsexuals.

I answered your question...you don't like my answer. Under the legislative intent of our Constitution, they are not citizens. If you have some documentation stating otherwise from those who framed and ratified the Fourteenth Amendment, please feel free to post it.

In addition STARE DECISIS does not overturn the most fundamental rule of constitutional law which is to carry out our Constitution's legislative intent, as contemplated by those who framed and ratified it.

Now, back to the subject!

If you thought the Congress of the united States is concerned with protecting the health and safety of the American people from illegal aliens carrying deadly communicable diseases ( SEE The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration___ Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration ) you are flat wrong!


The Act To Destroy America from within and turn America into a third world disease infested nation, grants immediate amnesty to millions of illegal aliens who have invaded our borders and are infected with a variety of deadly communicable diseases!

The overwhelming majority who are invading our borders are poorly educated and unskilled workers who wind up, or will wind up, on the public dole, and Mary and Joe Sixpack, who can barely meet their own financial needs will be taxed to pay that dole.

Aside from that, the very purpose of immigration laws passed by Congress is to select who comes into our country, and select those who will not wind up being a financial burden or other type of burden, such as infecting our Nation’s population with various commutable disease which we are now experiencing across our nation from those who are invading our borders!


Tuberculosis, hepatitis, dengue fever, chagas, and even leprosy are being imported into the U.S. inside the bodies of illegal aliens...And you thought they only carried heroin-filled baloons inside their bodies! See:
Illegal Immigrants Are Spreading Dangerous Diseases Across This Nation



The Congress of the united States is America’s most formidable domestic enemy!


JWK

[VewCoorkPow]

I answered your question...you don't like my answer. Under the legislative intent of our Constitution, they are not citizens. If you have some documentation stating otherwise from those who framed and ratified the Fourteenth Amendment, please feel free to post it.

Legislative intent is ruled on by the SCOTUS. I posted the ruling. Do you have any ruling that states they are not citizens?

In addition STARE DECISIS does not overturn the most fundamental rule of constitutional law which is to carry out our Constitution's legislative intent, as contemplated by those who framed and ratified it. See above.

Now, back to the subject! Back the the subject? You still have not answered what is to be done with these citizens.

If you thought the Congress of the united States is concerned with protecting the health and safety of the American people from illegal aliens carrying deadly communicable diseases Since I made no mention, don't presume to know what I think, or that I am "dead wrong" on what I have not said.

[Karpattaisp]

Legislative intent is ruled on by the SCOTUS.

Well, here I agree, that it is the duty of the SCOTUS ___ to defend this Constitution. But the case you referred to offers no documented evidence as to the legislative intent of the 14th Amendment which supports its opinion. What the SCOTUS did, as was also done in the KELO decision, was fabricate an opinion unsubstantiated by the words of those who framed and ratified the Constitution, and to this degree is a subjugation of our written Constitution, and not an adherence to its legislative intent.

As to what is to be done with "THE CHILDREN", a catchy tactic used by many who wish to subjugate our Constitutional system, I answered that question above. But if you perfer another answer, I would image children of those who commit a crime and are incarcerated, under existing case law, are either ordered by the court to be placed in the hands of relatives or taken into custody by the state.

BTW, I never presumed to know what you think, or that you are "dead wrong" for something I presumed you think, but for the record, “if” [the operative word] you thought the Congress of the united States is concerned with protecting the health and safety of the American people from illegal aliens carrying deadly communicable diseases ( SEE The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration___ Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration ) you are flat wrong!

Zippy, we have a very real problem staring us in the face being created by Congress. This is not a good time to ignore the clear and present danger which S. 1348 proposes to create.


JWK

[WebDocMan]

If anyone believes S. 1348 is good for America and does not present a clear and present danger to the general welfare of the various States, they need to take the time to study The Dark Side Of Illegal Immigration___ Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration


Leprosy, a scourge of Biblical days, is caused by a bacillus agent and is now know as Hansen's Disease. In the 40 years prior to 2002, there were only 900 total cases of leprosy in the US. In the following three years there have been 9,000 cases and most were illegal aliens.

As noted in the article Leprosy in America:new cause for concern by Dr. William Levis, head of the New York Hansen's Disease Clinic. "It's creeping into the U.S. ... This is a real phenomenon. It's a public health threat. New York is endemic now, and nobody's noticed." In the same article, Dr. Terry Williams, who runs a Houston-based clinic serving leprosy patients across southern Texas, said that the bulk of the cases treated by his clinic were immigrants. "A lot of our cases are imported," he said. "We see patients from everywhere--Africa, the Philippines, China, South America." (emphasis added)

The very purpose of immigration laws is to select who comes into our country, and select those who will not wind up being a financial burden or other type of burden, such as the increase in various commutable disease which we are now experiencing across our nation from those who are invading our borders.

Regards,

JWK

The Congress of the united States is America’s most formidable domestic enemy!

[Imalaycle]

Streets are too dirty!

JWK

Agreed, let's shoot them AFTER they clean the streets...

[HakTaisanip]

Dead people can't clean streets.

After their one year is up, give them an option to get shot or clean the streets for another year.

When they become too disabled to clean streets -- that's the time to shoot them.

[Meerenuch]

Bullets are cheaper than food ...