[Smittoh]

Punz is right.

Pushing shoving and grabbing are part of living in the city, catching the subway, going to a club, being at a crowded party. I guess thats what you mean Punz?

As for the case of these women, I really don't know enough about it to comment. Stabbing someone means you carried a knife. That's something you needn't do.

Krav Maga is brutal enough. In fact, after even my first Krav lesson some years ago I thought that it shouldn't be used except in life threatening situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnwroUXFtvc